1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:01:12,930 Oh 2 00:01:16,140 --> 00:01:14,580 evening everyone and welcome to back 3 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:16,150 Melones no tracks I'll show here on the 4 00:01:20,580 --> 00:01:18,880 distant Thunder radio network moving we 5 00:01:23,550 --> 00:01:20,590 have a special presentation for you 6 00:01:27,420 --> 00:01:23,560 tonight it is the anniversary of the JFK 7 00:01:30,270 --> 00:01:27,430 assassination in Dallas November 22nd 8 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:30,280 1963 so we're gonna be talking to a 9 00:01:35,700 --> 00:01:32,610 number of our friends calling in and 10 00:01:37,740 --> 00:01:35,710 interviewing them about what the death 11 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:37,750 of ufk meant to them who they thought 12 00:01:42,690 --> 00:01:40,450 was behind it ramifications or something 13 00:01:45,330 --> 00:01:42,700 like that supposedly that's when 14 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:45,340 American change and I have to agree with 15 00:01:51,660 --> 00:01:49,450 that to some hot because things just 16 00:01:53,550 --> 00:01:51,670 have never been the same since in the 17 00:01:55,590 --> 00:01:53,560 studio with us tonight I think never 18 00:01:59,160 --> 00:01:55,600 being the same the very same one one is 19 00:02:01,469 --> 00:01:59,170 here hello Mack how are you good now you 20 00:02:05,370 --> 00:02:01,479 remember yesterday oh yeah okay and I do 21 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:05,380 too yep and always remember where I was 22 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:07,210 and where I was going right right yeah 23 00:02:15,060 --> 00:02:11,050 yep so he's school freshman on the bus 24 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:15,070 oh really yeah okay mmhmm yep watch it 25 00:02:20,580 --> 00:02:18,010 Cronkite on TV we were um I was in the 26 00:02:22,530 --> 00:02:20,590 seventh grade maybe we're really dating 27 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:22,540 ourselves yeah yeah girls you know don't 28 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:25,030 listen really kid yeah and don't worry 29 00:02:32,270 --> 00:02:28,710 we did ourselves off right factor we do 30 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:32,280 [Laughter] 31 00:02:36,660 --> 00:02:34,720 right to you by dragons handlers 32 00:02:40,770 --> 00:02:36,670 now listen keep your hands to yourself 33 00:02:42,930 --> 00:02:40,780 with Jerkins right right did you make 34 00:02:47,190 --> 00:02:42,940 that up why I'm just ringing it like I 35 00:02:50,699 --> 00:02:47,200 do holy cow that's sexy on so many 36 00:02:54,180 --> 00:02:50,709 levels it's anyway yeah I was in the 37 00:02:57,030 --> 00:02:54,190 seventh grade and this girl that I had a 38 00:02:58,830 --> 00:02:57,040 kind of a crush on went to the nurse 39 00:03:00,300 --> 00:02:58,840 because she wasn't feeling sick yeah 40 00:03:01,620 --> 00:03:00,310 because she was feeling sick I had a 41 00:03:03,780 --> 00:03:01,630 feeling that she wasn't feeling sick she 42 00:03:06,449 --> 00:03:03,790 just fell out of school early and she 43 00:03:08,850 --> 00:03:06,459 came back and handed a note of a nun and 44 00:03:10,470 --> 00:03:08,860 the nun said you know we could get coats 45 00:03:14,009 --> 00:03:10,480 and your bags together and stuff you get 46 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:14,019 an early release because yeah it was 47 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:16,690 gonna smack it was in the days after we 48 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:18,610 took a while for it to really hit you 49 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:19,930 yeah what would it happen you know what 50 00:03:22,230 --> 00:03:21,130 would it what did it mean I thought 51 00:03:23,580 --> 00:03:22,240 we're gonna have a lot the Russians 52 00:03:24,809 --> 00:03:23,590 frankly I thought this was just for a 53 00:03:25,870 --> 00:03:24,819 wolf for a while there there seemed to 54 00:03:29,490 --> 00:03:25,880 be there's 55 00:03:31,450 --> 00:03:29,500 somehow he pulls right here ya know 56 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:31,460 about a couple hours I thought it was 57 00:03:36,910 --> 00:03:35,600 just wounded yeah and and do you agree 58 00:03:39,010 --> 00:03:36,920 with this whole idea that that's when 59 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:39,020 things gonna change that's that was the 60 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:41,750 end yeah and I think it thinks we were 61 00:03:45,610 --> 00:03:43,400 changing not for the better it seemed 62 00:03:47,950 --> 00:03:45,620 but there was an underlying groundswell 63 00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:47,960 of change anyway right I think 64 00:03:54,970 --> 00:03:50,510 his assassination precipitated it on the 65 00:03:57,070 --> 00:03:54,980 other hand it was rendered the tweaked I 66 00:04:01,060 --> 00:03:57,080 thought the change went with the Beatles 67 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:01,070 game over right yep well it was the I've 68 00:04:05,290 --> 00:04:03,530 always believed a large part of the 69 00:04:07,030 --> 00:04:05,300 Beatles success was they came like a 70 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:07,040 month later yeah everyone was bummed out 71 00:04:10,660 --> 00:04:08,930 miss country I know suddenly the Beatles 72 00:04:11,950 --> 00:04:10,670 were they needed the Beatles yeah and 73 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:11,960 they were there I mean that's just a lot 74 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:13,310 of like a hundred things that went right 75 00:04:19,510 --> 00:04:16,820 for them you know yeah but yeah yep 76 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:19,520 that's and everything and that changed 77 00:04:22,990 --> 00:04:21,290 everything to you know it did but I 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:23,000 think people no longer trusted the 79 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:24,610 government after that on the 80 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:28,010 juxtaposition of two events major events 81 00:04:34,270 --> 00:04:31,490 yeah I would somehow blend in a change 82 00:04:36,790 --> 00:04:34,280 you know the way society became yeah 83 00:04:38,380 --> 00:04:36,800 major cultural events huge interest so 84 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:38,390 anyway that's what we're gonna be 85 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:40,090 talking to tonight talking about tonight 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:44,410 Paul Bishop who is a former la detective 87 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:46,610 specialty is interrogation we're going 88 00:04:51,610 --> 00:04:49,370 to talk about the interrogation of Lee 89 00:04:55,210 --> 00:04:51,620 Harvey Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald did 90 00:04:58,060 --> 00:04:55,220 during the interrogation that made a lot 91 00:05:01,510 --> 00:04:58,070 of people who are in the biz okay FBI 92 00:05:04,030 --> 00:05:01,520 CIA the agencies convinced that he was 93 00:05:05,410 --> 00:05:04,040 some kind of an agent because the ways 94 00:05:07,210 --> 00:05:05,420 that the way that he was kind of 95 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:07,220 deflecting questions and stuff like that 96 00:05:11,950 --> 00:05:09,650 was exactly what they teach these people 97 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:11,960 in spy school okay but who is he a spy 98 00:05:19,660 --> 00:05:14,570 for you know we'll think about that and 99 00:05:22,660 --> 00:05:19,670 also switchblade is coming in with that 100 00:05:25,340 --> 00:05:22,670 Emily M that's her name now okay and we 101 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:25,350 didn't I Emily I'm right 102 00:05:28,370 --> 00:05:26,910 they're gonna be talking about how they 103 00:05:31,580 --> 00:05:28,380 were believing the night UFO connections 104 00:05:33,410 --> 00:05:31,590 to the JFK assassination some really 105 00:05:35,090 --> 00:05:33,420 strange ones - can't wait to hear this 106 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:35,100 yeah these these will creep you out 107 00:05:40,820 --> 00:05:38,520 guaranteed Cobra will be calling in he's 108 00:05:43,190 --> 00:05:40,830 on a secret mission still one one again 109 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:43,200 yep but he's gonna be going in and 110 00:05:49,340 --> 00:05:45,450 during the the fun and a little while 111 00:05:51,620 --> 00:05:49,350 and Rob becouse in who happens to live 112 00:05:54,890 --> 00:05:51,630 down there in the the cradle of 113 00:05:58,910 --> 00:05:54,900 President death Dallas cradle of 114 00:06:00,610 --> 00:05:58,920 presidents death be the murder capital 115 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:00,620 of the world what very capital the world 116 00:06:05,330 --> 00:06:03,810 they mixed them up he's down there in 117 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:05,340 Dallas hopefully he's on site with his 118 00:06:08,630 --> 00:06:07,110 microphone a you know remote 119 00:06:15,470 --> 00:06:08,640 interviewing people on the grassy knoll 120 00:06:21,140 --> 00:06:15,480 do you know what happened my kid you 121 00:06:22,970 --> 00:06:21,150 know anyway one of the strangest things 122 00:06:25,070 --> 00:06:22,980 there's a lot of strange things that 123 00:06:26,630 --> 00:06:25,080 happened that day in Dallas I mean a lot 124 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:26,640 of very odd things like you know Richard 125 00:06:30,890 --> 00:06:29,010 Nixon was in Dallas that day okay so was 126 00:06:32,650 --> 00:06:30,900 George Bush because he lived in down 127 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:32,660 there okay 128 00:06:37,220 --> 00:06:35,490 you know no one knew I mean they knew 129 00:06:40,190 --> 00:06:37,230 Lee Harvey Oswald worked in the building 130 00:06:42,650 --> 00:06:40,200 and then they knew he was like across 131 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:42,660 town and shot a cop guy named Jay W 132 00:06:46,130 --> 00:06:44,370 Tibbets jump shot a contract and then 133 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:46,140 went into a theater right and that's 134 00:06:49,370 --> 00:06:48,330 what they arrested him but they've never 135 00:06:52,570 --> 00:06:49,380 been able to figure out how he made it 136 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:52,580 from the Texas Book Depository building 137 00:06:57,260 --> 00:06:55,410 to the place where he shot the cop 138 00:06:59,120 --> 00:06:57,270 yeah they cab they take a bus did 139 00:07:00,980 --> 00:06:59,130 someone drive them they don't know you 140 00:07:04,370 --> 00:07:00,990 know that's like some missing time you 141 00:07:07,730 --> 00:07:04,380 know which is like kind of odd and and 142 00:07:10,700 --> 00:07:07,740 just the idea that you know that he 143 00:07:12,650 --> 00:07:10,710 worked in that building where the 144 00:07:14,570 --> 00:07:12,660 presidential route just happen to go by 145 00:07:16,220 --> 00:07:14,580 and rob will tell us you know this this 146 00:07:17,420 --> 00:07:16,230 is not like some there wasn't planned 147 00:07:18,950 --> 00:07:17,430 out that way it wasn't and now I think 148 00:07:21,140 --> 00:07:18,960 they changed it they didn't change the 149 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:21,150 day before or anything like that but at 150 00:07:24,890 --> 00:07:22,680 one point he was gonna go straight but 151 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:24,900 then they changed his destination so 152 00:07:30,140 --> 00:07:28,170 this is like an another Nova pass but a 153 00:07:32,780 --> 00:07:30,150 way to get onto a highway you know like 154 00:07:36,530 --> 00:07:32,790 hey um so we had to be you happen to be 155 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:36,540 working at a place that it became right 156 00:07:41,590 --> 00:07:39,510 yeah I mean you know I don't know and 157 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:41,600 there's a lot of like that yeah right so 158 00:07:45,530 --> 00:07:43,650 so that's what we'll be talking about 159 00:07:48,470 --> 00:07:45,540 tonight the JFK assassination the who 160 00:07:51,110 --> 00:07:48,480 what the way why and so on so why don't 161 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:51,120 we take a commercial break now and when 162 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:52,530 we come back we'll stud the very big 163 00:07:55,790 --> 00:07:54,150 ship house that they want sounds great 164 00:07:57,230 --> 00:07:55,800 okay all right you listening to make no 165 00:07:58,970 --> 00:07:57,240 tracks no show here on the distant 166 00:08:02,090 --> 00:07:58,980 Thunder radio network we'll be right 167 00:08:04,670 --> 00:08:02,100 back after this after the events of 9/11 168 00:08:04,940 --> 00:08:04,680 we thought America would never be the 169 00:08:07,790 --> 00:08:04,950 same 170 00:08:10,430 --> 00:08:07,800 our homeland was attacked our fellow 171 00:08:14,540 --> 00:08:10,440 Americans killed by terrorists it seemed 172 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:14,550 like all hope was lost until a special 173 00:08:19,130 --> 00:08:16,290 group of Patriots came together and 174 00:08:22,610 --> 00:08:19,140 defied the Pentagon and fadh to take 175 00:08:24,470 --> 00:08:22,620 revenge but in their own way they took 176 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:24,480 the battle to the terrace doorstep 177 00:08:28,910 --> 00:08:26,310 turning the tables on the murderers 178 00:08:31,310 --> 00:08:28,920 fighting with no rules taking no 179 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:31,320 prisoners until they became terrorists 180 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:33,930 themselves this is the story of the 181 00:08:38,420 --> 00:08:36,810 super Hawks soldiers so secret even the 182 00:08:41,390 --> 00:08:38,430 president didn't know they existed 183 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:41,400 their mission was to kill bin Laden but 184 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:43,050 they wound up saving the world 185 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:46,110 super Hawks a new series four Kindles 186 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:48,510 and nooks Pike Mac Maloney available on 187 00:08:52,170 --> 00:09:07,040 [Music] 188 00:09:11,369 --> 00:09:09,449 no tracks now sure here on the distant 189 00:09:13,199 --> 00:09:11,379 Thunder radio network this is making in 190 00:09:15,329 --> 00:09:13,209 the studio with us tonight version is 191 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:15,339 one one is here go back how's it going 192 00:09:19,410 --> 00:09:17,290 tonight so far okay this is a special 193 00:09:22,259 --> 00:09:19,420 presentation on the JFK assassination 194 00:09:25,350 --> 00:09:22,269 that happened in 1963 so how many years 195 00:09:28,650 --> 00:09:25,360 ago was that wanted we found out 54 54 196 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:28,660 okay alright yeah but today that anyone 197 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:30,610 who's alive and you know able to 198 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:31,930 comprehend what was going on was really 199 00:09:37,050 --> 00:09:35,410 they don't like no other so anyway on 200 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:37,060 the phone with us is a good friend of 201 00:09:44,490 --> 00:09:40,569 the show mr. Paul Bishop who is formerly 202 00:09:46,019 --> 00:09:44,500 of the LAPD and whose specialty back 203 00:09:47,819 --> 00:09:46,029 then was interrogation how you doing 204 00:09:50,910 --> 00:09:47,829 there tonight Paul great man how you 205 00:09:52,740 --> 00:09:50,920 guys excellent ball doing good um before 206 00:09:54,420 --> 00:09:52,750 we get into this you have a new book out 207 00:09:58,410 --> 00:09:54,430 right I do 208 00:10:02,220 --> 00:09:58,420 wait what's the name it's called 52 209 00:10:04,259 --> 00:10:02,230 weeks 52 Western novels and it's a 210 00:10:06,809 --> 00:10:04,269 nonfiction work where we take 52 211 00:10:08,990 --> 00:10:06,819 different Western novels and kind of do 212 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:09,000 a six hundred word essay on each of them 213 00:10:14,699 --> 00:10:12,850 My partner and I did 18 each and then we 214 00:10:18,019 --> 00:10:14,709 had some guest contributors come in and 215 00:10:20,309 --> 00:10:18,029 the whole deal with this book is we said 216 00:10:25,079 --> 00:10:20,319 whatever book they chose had to be no 217 00:10:27,569 --> 00:10:25,089 more than 250 pages and so it's at one 218 00:10:29,639 --> 00:10:27,579 of those real fast moving westerns 219 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:29,649 yeah and they had to have some kind of 220 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:30,910 personal connection to it that they 221 00:10:33,509 --> 00:10:32,170 wanted to write about why the book was 222 00:10:35,910 --> 00:10:33,519 important to them what were they doing 223 00:10:39,449 --> 00:10:35,920 when they read it so the book really 224 00:10:41,819 --> 00:10:39,459 reads like a personal journal through 225 00:10:45,269 --> 00:10:41,829 true through a year's worth of westerns 226 00:10:47,460 --> 00:10:45,279 uh-huh okay yeah I love yeah we went 227 00:10:50,009 --> 00:10:47,470 with full color on the interior so 228 00:10:51,809 --> 00:10:50,019 there's lots of Western covers and movie 229 00:10:53,939 --> 00:10:51,819 posters and that type of thing along 230 00:10:55,740 --> 00:10:53,949 with the text so we're really happy with 231 00:10:59,309 --> 00:10:55,750 it and it seems to have taken off a 232 00:11:02,639 --> 00:10:59,319 little bit so we're doing 52 weeks 52 233 00:11:03,950 --> 00:11:02,649 western movies next and 52 weeks 52 more 234 00:11:06,050 --> 00:11:03,960 Western novels 235 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:06,060 cool all right yeah because when I when 236 00:11:11,330 --> 00:11:07,910 we talked about this side Facebook 237 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:11,340 message to you my favorite in my top 10 238 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:13,650 movies three of them are Western the 239 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:14,910 good the bad and the ugly is like my 240 00:11:18,860 --> 00:11:16,410 favorite movie of all time no matter why 241 00:11:20,780 --> 00:11:18,870 sure okay that the three-hour version 242 00:11:22,820 --> 00:11:20,790 and not the kind of presents great the 243 00:11:26,530 --> 00:11:22,830 music is great Ennio Morricone does the 244 00:11:30,530 --> 00:11:26,540 music to it in yeah it's just wild okay 245 00:11:33,470 --> 00:11:30,540 Winchester 73 I've seen that movie no 246 00:11:35,780 --> 00:11:33,480 it's it's a movie about this one gun 247 00:11:37,370 --> 00:11:35,790 that kind of passes hands you know from 248 00:11:38,930 --> 00:11:37,380 good guys to bad guys in this you know 249 00:11:40,850 --> 00:11:38,940 and how it affects their lives it's a 250 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:40,860 cool little movie it really I don't know 251 00:11:44,450 --> 00:11:42,450 how little it was but James Stewart's in 252 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:44,460 it but a lot of young people and then 253 00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:46,410 little big man with Dustin Hoffman yeah 254 00:11:50,180 --> 00:11:48,720 great movie just the way that film yeah 255 00:11:51,650 --> 00:11:50,190 it really is you know I haven't seen 256 00:11:53,060 --> 00:11:51,660 that in a while but boy that's really 257 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:53,070 when they used to make cool movies you 258 00:11:56,990 --> 00:11:55,050 know I liked Once Upon a Time in the 259 00:11:59,720 --> 00:11:57,000 West that was also really good yes yeah 260 00:12:02,240 --> 00:11:59,730 you're right yeah no squeaking sign I 261 00:12:03,740 --> 00:12:02,250 hear all the time yeah yeah so with the 262 00:12:05,420 --> 00:12:03,750 mention are good the bad the ugly and 263 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:05,430 Once Upon a Time in the West we will 264 00:12:08,450 --> 00:12:07,470 also be doing in 52 weeks 52 265 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:08,460 spaghetti-western 266 00:12:14,540 --> 00:12:10,740 oh there was that many yeah we're there 267 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:14,550 yeah yeah oh really oh cool yeah yeah 268 00:12:18,020 --> 00:12:16,770 because the good the bad the ugly you 269 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:18,030 know basically what it is it's an 270 00:12:25,630 --> 00:12:22,050 Italian director right it's his vision 271 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:25,640 of what a u.s. Westin should be okay 272 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:27,570 yeah it is yeah it's getting like 273 00:12:32,030 --> 00:12:29,280 through a different kind of filter and 274 00:12:35,660 --> 00:12:32,040 then they filmed it in Spain so it's so 275 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:35,670 stylized yes right yeah just you can 276 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:37,440 immediately tell you're watching a 277 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:39,510 spaghetti western right whatever that 278 00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:44,010 genre parallels are right in to meet 279 00:12:47,150 --> 00:12:45,900 like the best scene in it and really 280 00:12:49,610 --> 00:12:47,160 going off the subjugate but the best 281 00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:49,620 scene is you know what Clint Eastwood 282 00:12:53,510 --> 00:12:50,880 and me like Wallach they're trying to 283 00:12:55,910 --> 00:12:53,520 escape okay and he was just this like 284 00:12:57,950 --> 00:12:55,920 you know he's crazy no morals or 285 00:12:59,210 --> 00:12:57,960 anything crazy right and then going 286 00:13:01,460 --> 00:12:59,220 across this desert and they're in 287 00:13:02,810 --> 00:13:01,470 Confederate uniform yeah and I see all 288 00:13:04,670 --> 00:13:02,820 these so just come and they go oh that's 289 00:13:07,970 --> 00:13:04,680 great you know your help for finally 290 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:07,980 finally we exactly for the Confederacy 291 00:13:12,789 --> 00:13:10,200 and they stop and think I just they rest 292 00:13:15,229 --> 00:13:12,799 themselves off and they really you 293 00:13:15,739 --> 00:13:15,239 then they go to a concentration giving a 294 00:13:18,439 --> 00:13:15,749 beat 295 00:13:21,169 --> 00:13:18,449 no but it's a great scene you know this 296 00:13:22,699 --> 00:13:21,179 is generating so anyway so hey we'll 297 00:13:24,259 --> 00:13:22,709 listen Paul I hope you have good things 298 00:13:25,789 --> 00:13:24,269 with a book that whole idea of I doing 299 00:13:28,009 --> 00:13:25,799 it with movies too I think is very good 300 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:28,019 so thanks anything we can do to help you 301 00:13:32,030 --> 00:13:30,809 promote it let us know appreciate so 302 00:13:35,539 --> 00:13:32,040 anyway so let's talk a little bit about 303 00:13:39,099 --> 00:13:35,549 you know the day JFK get shot in town 304 00:13:40,970 --> 00:13:39,109 what happened and talk to you from a 305 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:40,980 detectives point of view how long were 306 00:13:46,009 --> 00:13:43,649 you with the LAPD I spent 35 years of 307 00:13:47,809 --> 00:13:46,019 the LAPD I've been retired for five 308 00:13:49,549 --> 00:13:47,819 years now but I still go out around the 309 00:13:53,689 --> 00:13:49,559 country and teach interrogation to law 310 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:53,699 enforcement all over the place so when I 311 00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:55,290 remember reading and this is probably 312 00:13:58,159 --> 00:13:56,399 just the extent that I've read about 313 00:14:01,849 --> 00:13:58,169 this particular you know thing that 314 00:14:03,859 --> 00:14:01,859 happened that day is when they caught we 315 00:14:05,419 --> 00:14:03,869 have yaws wall and they run it through 316 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:05,429 the Dallas police station and there's 317 00:14:08,599 --> 00:14:07,049 just this one gentleman I think he was 318 00:14:09,979 --> 00:14:08,609 the Chief of Detectives he was basically 319 00:14:11,329 --> 00:14:09,989 the guy who would go into the room and 320 00:14:13,069 --> 00:14:11,339 talk to him they didn't have a bunch of 321 00:14:15,590 --> 00:14:13,079 people it was just him but I was captain 322 00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:15,600 fritz okay right but he's the guy who 323 00:14:19,999 --> 00:14:17,519 said in then I know that in some of the 324 00:14:23,479 --> 00:14:20,009 sessions there were FBI guys and so on 325 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:23,489 but when he let's say here he is calling 326 00:14:31,249 --> 00:14:27,649 right now when he started interrogating 327 00:14:34,099 --> 00:14:31,259 Lee Harvey Oswald his quote was he told 328 00:14:36,829 --> 00:14:34,109 me the truth about everything except the 329 00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:36,839 assassination yeah okay he told the 330 00:14:39,739 --> 00:14:38,639 truth about everything that he went to 331 00:14:41,689 --> 00:14:39,749 Russia all by himself 332 00:14:42,979 --> 00:14:41,699 Yeah right and he had a Russian wife and 333 00:14:45,859 --> 00:14:42,989 I did this and I was in the Marines 334 00:14:47,239 --> 00:14:45,869 above but then when it came to you know 335 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:47,249 where were you when you know the 336 00:14:50,929 --> 00:14:48,929 president got shot oh I was young moving 337 00:14:53,569 --> 00:14:50,939 boxes I was you know he'd lied about 338 00:14:55,699 --> 00:14:53,579 what he was there for yeah and and I 339 00:14:57,979 --> 00:14:55,709 remember someone saying that is 340 00:15:00,109 --> 00:14:57,989 something that they teach spies to do 341 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:00,119 you know they teach intelligence people 342 00:15:04,099 --> 00:15:01,889 to do that's that's the way of you know 343 00:15:06,970 --> 00:15:04,109 misdirecting I guess that does any of 344 00:15:11,539 --> 00:15:06,980 this make sense to you Paul 345 00:15:15,429 --> 00:15:11,549 certainly his statements during the 346 00:15:18,249 --> 00:15:15,439 course of the interrogation were 347 00:15:21,759 --> 00:15:18,259 schizophrenic at times okay and 348 00:15:24,289 --> 00:15:21,769 purposely misdirecting at others and 349 00:15:25,490 --> 00:15:24,299 there were times that he's genuinely 350 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:25,500 confused 351 00:15:30,590 --> 00:15:27,570 okay and he's feeding on his own 352 00:15:33,830 --> 00:15:30,600 paranoia right like when he's questioned 353 00:15:35,390 --> 00:15:33,840 about the photographs of him holding a 354 00:15:37,010 --> 00:15:35,400 rifle on a pistol and he's saying you 355 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:37,020 know the FBI took my picture they've 356 00:15:41,060 --> 00:15:39,090 superimposed it not and on and on and on 357 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:41,070 I bet that really sounds like a true 358 00:15:48,850 --> 00:15:43,560 paranoia to me in his statements there 359 00:15:51,830 --> 00:15:48,860 right but here's the thing if I can like 360 00:15:53,630 --> 00:15:51,840 the OJ Simpson case everything that 361 00:15:56,450 --> 00:15:53,640 could possibly done wrong in an 362 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:56,460 interrogation situation was done wrong 363 00:16:00,320 --> 00:15:58,050 okay 364 00:16:03,260 --> 00:16:00,330 one of the mantras that I have when I 365 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:03,270 teach interrogation is that the success 366 00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:05,490 the success or failure of an 367 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:08,190 interrogation is determined before the 368 00:16:14,630 --> 00:16:11,090 first question is asked okay cool so 369 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:14,640 what you have here is nobody prepares 370 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:17,250 tactically to go in and interview Oswald 371 00:16:23,060 --> 00:16:21,090 he's in a hurry nobody has a plan nobody 372 00:16:25,310 --> 00:16:23,070 knows what to ask everybody just wants 373 00:16:27,130 --> 00:16:25,320 him to say he did it so they're going in 374 00:16:29,180 --> 00:16:27,140 with all of this preconceived 375 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:29,190 information in their heads and they're 376 00:16:39,290 --> 00:16:35,010 scared so you have this little tiny room 377 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:39,300 14 feet by 9 feet and you have anywhere 378 00:16:44,060 --> 00:16:41,910 from seven or eight people crowded into 379 00:16:47,270 --> 00:16:44,070 this small room along with captain fritz 380 00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:47,280 oh okay all right he gets called out 381 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:49,380 constantly because stuff's going on 382 00:16:55,790 --> 00:16:53,130 which is you know just you every time 383 00:16:58,070 --> 00:16:55,800 you take a break it breaks the the flow 384 00:16:59,780 --> 00:16:58,080 of the interrogation mm-hm and when you 385 00:17:01,579 --> 00:16:59,790 have that many people in the room are 386 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:01,589 the more people you have in the room the 387 00:17:06,740 --> 00:17:03,930 more a defense attorney can say that the 388 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:06,750 suspect was being intimidated I think 389 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:10,230 okay yeah so in all more than 25 390 00:17:15,770 --> 00:17:13,530 different people either participated in 391 00:17:17,569 --> 00:17:15,780 asking questions or were present at some 392 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:17,579 time during the interrogations man I got 393 00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:22,730 my facts okay please 394 00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:26,189 so no again you know chief curry later 395 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:29,520 on recognized in his testimony said we 396 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:30,930 were violating every principle of 397 00:17:34,430 --> 00:17:32,880 interrogation it was just against all 398 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:34,440 principles of good interrogation 399 00:17:37,970 --> 00:17:35,490 practice Wow 400 00:17:40,669 --> 00:17:37,980 so they they're they have that 401 00:17:41,570 --> 00:17:40,679 mission that that everything was screwed 402 00:17:46,039 --> 00:17:41,580 up from the start 403 00:17:47,690 --> 00:17:46,049 and that's why Oswald in my opinion was 404 00:17:50,060 --> 00:17:47,700 able to get away with all of the 405 00:17:54,169 --> 00:17:50,070 nonsense that he was pulling okay all 406 00:17:55,940 --> 00:17:54,179 right so so do you see um any evidence 407 00:17:57,860 --> 00:17:55,950 in the way that he answered those 408 00:18:00,440 --> 00:17:57,870 questions that he could have been worth 409 00:18:01,070 --> 00:18:00,450 working for you know somebody like it 410 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:01,080 eight 411 00:18:05,150 --> 00:18:03,450 my personal opinion is he was the same 412 00:18:06,980 --> 00:18:05,160 kind of guy who likes shot John Lennon 413 00:18:08,570 --> 00:18:06,990 who shot Reagan you know and stuff like 414 00:18:10,850 --> 00:18:08,580 that he was just kind of like this guy 415 00:18:13,310 --> 00:18:10,860 who wanted to be famous and would do 416 00:18:15,740 --> 00:18:13,320 anything he you know to the most bizarre 417 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:15,750 ends to become infamous right I mean 418 00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:17,370 that's how I feel but do you see any 419 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:19,470 kind of evidence and you know he's the 420 00:18:24,919 --> 00:18:20,910 answers during these interrogations and 421 00:18:28,159 --> 00:18:24,929 he was like some kind of agent I mean I 422 00:18:31,070 --> 00:18:28,169 think that his statements during the 423 00:18:33,140 --> 00:18:31,080 course of the interrogation are the 424 00:18:36,409 --> 00:18:33,150 stuff that conspiracy theories are made 425 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:36,419 from right so if you want to make a 426 00:18:42,169 --> 00:18:38,220 conspiracy theory out of everything that 427 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:42,179 he said you can do it you know whether 428 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:44,850 it was you know was he we're serving as 429 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:49,590 an agent of Castro was he doing a dirty 430 00:18:54,289 --> 00:18:51,690 trick for the CIA wanting to get rid of 431 00:18:57,049 --> 00:18:54,299 a president that they'd lost faith in do 432 00:18:59,659 --> 00:18:57,059 the Bay of Pigs was a Cuban exiles 433 00:19:02,360 --> 00:18:59,669 Teamsters Union the Mafia you know all 434 00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:02,370 of those things were were raised and in 435 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:06,240 doing so clouded the whole issue of what 436 00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:08,010 he actually said mm-hmm okay 437 00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:09,480 thank you so if you take what he 438 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:12,260 actually said a statement by statement 439 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:16,650 what you really see is a man who's not 440 00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:21,150 not very bright and that he doesn't know 441 00:19:29,630 --> 00:19:25,799 how to lie particularly well but he is 442 00:19:31,789 --> 00:19:29,640 very determined not to give away certain 443 00:19:33,650 --> 00:19:31,799 information right okay which makes it 444 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:33,660 really interesting so yeah it's not very 445 00:19:38,060 --> 00:19:36,090 bright but very determined right does 446 00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:38,070 that to you does that mean there was 447 00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,660 some kind of training involved but was 448 00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:42,000 this was just some guy who wrote read a 449 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:45,600 lot of spy catalogs and stuff I I think 450 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,710 that in my opinion and and and I have 451 00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:51,280 some basis for this 452 00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:52,750 I don't think he had a whole lot of 453 00:20:00,210 --> 00:19:57,520 training I think that there's never been 454 00:20:03,390 --> 00:20:00,220 any indication tough to have had any 455 00:20:06,620 --> 00:20:03,400 training mm-hmm no pain in the butt 456 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:06,630 yes one being questioned but he didn't 457 00:20:12,779 --> 00:20:09,250 misdirect in the way that a trained 458 00:20:14,610 --> 00:20:12,789 agent would right okay all right I mean 459 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:14,620 how about the whole idea that he may 460 00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:19,690 have been a patsy you know one of the 461 00:20:24,930 --> 00:20:21,280 you know the things that they like to 462 00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:24,940 say about Oswald is that you know he was 463 00:20:30,210 --> 00:20:27,280 an exceptionally bad shot 464 00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:30,220 and the shot that killed Kennedy was the 465 00:20:34,770 --> 00:20:33,280 act of a champion marksman and then you 466 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:34,780 know an Olympic sprinter to get out of 467 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,950 that area there yes I did a show a few a 468 00:20:43,770 --> 00:20:41,200 lot of years back now probably 20 years 469 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:43,780 back called the magic bullet for the 470 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:46,450 Discovery Channel and basically we got a 471 00:20:51,210 --> 00:20:49,510 bullet out of the same batch that the 472 00:20:55,860 --> 00:20:51,220 bullet that killed Kennedy came from and 473 00:20:58,350 --> 00:20:55,870 we went to Australia and because there 474 00:21:01,649 --> 00:20:58,360 was a company there that specialized in 475 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:01,659 building mannequins with completely 476 00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:04,690 lifelike interiors okay cool 477 00:21:10,980 --> 00:21:08,860 so got the same making year convertible 478 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:10,990 that the bodies up exactly as they would 479 00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,130 built a tower put a marksman up there 480 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:17,280 with the exact same type of rifle and 481 00:21:22,409 --> 00:21:20,169 the wind is blowing and that tower is 482 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,419 going back and forth back forth right 483 00:21:28,289 --> 00:21:24,720 yes so we're thinking there is no 484 00:21:30,330 --> 00:21:28,299 possible way that he is going to hit 485 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:30,340 this target you know we're gonna have to 486 00:21:34,770 --> 00:21:33,190 take this a hundred times before we keep 487 00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:34,780 me even close to something that we can 488 00:21:41,730 --> 00:21:37,990 put on right on television right the 489 00:21:43,710 --> 00:21:41,740 very first shot follows the exact 490 00:21:46,860 --> 00:21:43,720 trajectory of the bullet that killed 491 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:46,870 Kennedy right through to where it lodged 492 00:21:52,049 --> 00:21:49,090 in the arm of the guy in the front seat 493 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:52,059 and eventually later fell out so Wow Wow 494 00:22:02,930 --> 00:21:55,090 the only difference was in our case it 495 00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:05,160 wow that's amazing I mean you think 496 00:22:09,330 --> 00:22:06,780 about that because you think of all the 497 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:09,340 factors that would be there's so many 498 00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:13,120 random factors right yeah and of course 499 00:22:17,780 --> 00:22:15,220 this thing shows up at two o'clock in 500 00:22:20,970 --> 00:22:17,790 the morning about once every other month 501 00:22:22,290 --> 00:22:20,980 no I said yeah oh I saw you on 502 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:22,300 television last night I'm going what are 503 00:22:24,410 --> 00:22:23,170 you talking about 504 00:22:28,290 --> 00:22:24,420 well it's a show about the magic bullet 505 00:22:29,730 --> 00:22:28,300 did you um what did if you don't mind us 506 00:22:30,810 --> 00:22:29,740 asking you know were you paid for 507 00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:30,820 something like that you get a free trip 508 00:22:34,110 --> 00:22:31,600 in Australia 509 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:34,120 no actually I was I didn't get to go to 510 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:36,970 Australia but I was consultant on it and 511 00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:40,510 I was actually on camera oh really yeah 512 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:46,440 okay all right did you get paid yes but 513 00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:49,930 that's we want to hear right but that's 514 00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:52,030 kinda cool to be on TV man that's that's 515 00:22:56,610 --> 00:22:54,580 that's cool you know to be on a show 516 00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,620 like that you know I don't think they'd 517 00:23:02,760 --> 00:22:58,240 ever come and do a show like that for us 518 00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,770 would they I would the command that they 519 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:04,720 would probably put him on and he'd leave 520 00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,970 us behind man you know he's cool enough 521 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:09,520 to be on it kick us out of his little so 522 00:23:14,250 --> 00:23:12,130 listen this guy wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald 523 00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,260 in the Marines he was in the Marines and 524 00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:16,240 he in he was dead a YouTube base in 525 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:19,860 Japan yeah so wasn't a real schmuck but 526 00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:22,210 he wasn't drummed out of the Marines as 527 00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:25,150 far as I know he wasn't he'd gone I 528 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:26,980 think was a dishonorable discharge was 529 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:29,650 yeah I think so then he then he went to 530 00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:31,420 Russia he lived in Russia for like two 531 00:23:38,790 --> 00:23:36,070 years and met the marina okay which you 532 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:38,800 know back sixties Russia you know she 533 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:41,370 was a bad looking for that era you know 534 00:23:47,790 --> 00:23:45,130 and then he came back here lived in 535 00:23:49,620 --> 00:23:47,800 Dallas and I mean just the fact that he 536 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:49,630 lived in Russia you know foot I remember 537 00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:51,040 hearing that like the day it happened 538 00:23:55,710 --> 00:23:53,320 that three years he lived in the Soviet 539 00:23:57,030 --> 00:23:55,720 Union you know and and you know you one 540 00:23:59,370 --> 00:23:57,040 story is that there was so sick of him 541 00:24:01,020 --> 00:23:59,380 which I could see that's when he came 542 00:24:03,090 --> 00:24:01,030 back but the funny thing is I think 543 00:24:05,550 --> 00:24:03,100 wasn't the only 23 years old I mean he 544 00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:05,560 lived a lot of my mother strange things 545 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:07,960 and he was alright in his early 20s you 546 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:09,970 know which is and he grew up in New York 547 00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:13,210 City - there you go as a kid yeah so 548 00:24:17,310 --> 00:24:15,790 anyway but but well I mean 549 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:17,320 it's guilty as sin as far as anybody 550 00:24:21,780 --> 00:24:19,510 else was concerned right well you know I 551 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:21,790 mean somebody didn't get any information 552 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:24,250 at all out of them no nothing that was 553 00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:26,890 earning I mean he's constant denials 554 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:29,740 that he killed the president or that he 555 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:33,310 killed the other police officer or just 556 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:36,910 go on and on and on every time he has a 557 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:39,310 moment to say that he says it right so 558 00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:40,810 we were talking about earlier and this 559 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:42,700 could be out of date information but I 560 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:45,130 had also heard once that you know when 561 00:24:51,870 --> 00:24:47,530 he left the Book Depository building and 562 00:24:54,270 --> 00:24:51,880 then went and then later on shot Tibbett 563 00:24:56,550 --> 00:24:54,280 the cop did they ever find out how he 564 00:24:59,580 --> 00:24:56,560 made it from the depository building to 565 00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,590 that side of town because at one point 566 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:01,360 someone said maybe he had someone drive 567 00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:02,770 him and I wouldn't you know kind of 568 00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:05,080 indicate a conspiracy but it was too far 569 00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:08,700 to walk so you know he took a bus a cab 570 00:25:14,670 --> 00:25:11,110 right I mean I don't think they've ever 571 00:25:16,740 --> 00:25:14,680 come to a definitive understanding of 572 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:16,750 that but and then there was a story just 573 00:25:23,370 --> 00:25:21,310 came out I just repeated that um when he 574 00:25:25,410 --> 00:25:23,380 was actually given two phone calls all 575 00:25:28,410 --> 00:25:25,420 right not just one and one of them I 576 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:28,420 guess he called his wife's mother or 577 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:30,310 something and then the second one he 578 00:25:35,070 --> 00:25:32,050 called this guy in Virginia who turns 579 00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:35,080 out that he was a counterinsurgency guy 580 00:25:39,180 --> 00:25:36,070 for the military 581 00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:39,190 and they didn't I don't think they 582 00:25:43,890 --> 00:25:41,260 accepted the call but they have the the 583 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:43,900 charge the billing from you know the 584 00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,370 Dallas Police Department through this 585 00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:47,200 number of the jigna so it did happen 586 00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:48,640 I think the person might hung up on him 587 00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:51,580 or something and so the question said 588 00:25:54,150 --> 00:25:52,660 well what's you know what's he doing 589 00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:54,160 that guy's phone number yeah you know 590 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:56,800 never hear anything like that Paul um I 591 00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,450 you know I know he was given two phone 592 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:00,480 calls I haven't heard that story 593 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:04,570 directly but if you think about it it's 594 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:06,850 in line with everything else that goes 595 00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:08,110 on during the course of the 596 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:10,390 interrogation there's so much in here 597 00:26:16,350 --> 00:26:14,110 that is unexplainable right yeah and 598 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:16,360 then so you know this is why I think 599 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:19,930 that there's a certain amount of mental 600 00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,330 distress either mental illness or mental 601 00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,600 distress going on with Oswald under this 602 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:28,000 situation how would you feel in that 603 00:26:30,780 --> 00:26:29,230 situation if 604 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:30,790 he grabbed you up I mean look at Richard 605 00:26:37,049 --> 00:26:33,610 Jewell and Emily and they ran roughshod 606 00:26:40,650 --> 00:26:37,059 over right so I mean I think they really 607 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:40,660 did I believe Oswald's guilty personally 608 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:42,970 but they certainly rush to judgment on 609 00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:45,250 this right and they didn't set out to 610 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:48,070 find out what happened they set out to 611 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:50,530 fit the facts to their theory right we 612 00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:51,730 should explain Richard Jewell was a 613 00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:54,040 security guy at the 1980 Olympics was 614 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:56,590 the theatres with in Atlanta there was a 615 00:26:59,640 --> 00:26:58,210 bomb there set off by it turned out to 616 00:27:02,220 --> 00:26:59,650 be a guy thing it turned out he was an 617 00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:02,230 anti-abortion kind of right-wing guy but 618 00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,230 they just zeroed in on this this kind of 619 00:27:09,270 --> 00:27:07,600 portly security guy delivered his mother 620 00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,280 and that kind of stuff yeah once again 621 00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:11,200 China you know fit their facts into the 622 00:27:16,409 --> 00:27:13,929 round holes you know and just just 623 00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:16,419 besieged him you know and and then you 624 00:27:19,169 --> 00:27:18,070 know it found out that he everyone in 625 00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:19,179 the world thought he was guilty until 626 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,590 they found out there wasn't him because 627 00:27:24,750 --> 00:27:23,200 I know yeah then he died like soon after 628 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,760 that you know I don't know if he that is 629 00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:27,760 suicide or what but he passed away his 630 00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:29,470 life was basically ruined ruined yeah 631 00:27:34,830 --> 00:27:31,740 the other interesting thing about 632 00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:34,840 Oswald's interrogation is he lies about 633 00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:38,380 things he doesn't have to lie about hmm 634 00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:39,580 yeah maybe that's what I heard yeah 635 00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,350 explain that right so so he he you know 636 00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:46,480 denies ever owning a rifle or a pistol 637 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:48,790 which equates with with Mark Fuhrman 638 00:27:53,159 --> 00:27:50,530 saying I never used the F word or the 639 00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:53,169 n-word right okay yep you know that that 640 00:27:57,630 --> 00:27:56,049 because he he's got to know in his own 641 00:27:59,310 --> 00:27:57,640 mind that with a little checking they're 642 00:28:01,560 --> 00:27:59,320 gonna prove that he had rifles and 643 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:01,570 pistols and and those types of things 644 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:04,330 right so why lie about it right it's 645 00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:06,910 it's it's not going to make difference 646 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:10,030 one way or the other and again is that 647 00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,210 part of the distraction if I lie about 648 00:28:17,549 --> 00:28:15,520 these these non-consequential things 649 00:28:19,530 --> 00:28:17,559 will they realize that I'm also lying 650 00:28:22,049 --> 00:28:19,540 about the consequential things although 651 00:28:24,299 --> 00:28:22,059 the consequential things he doesn't talk 652 00:28:26,370 --> 00:28:24,309 about yeah it says I'm not gonna tell 653 00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:26,380 you about that yes so I lie about the 654 00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,790 non-consequential yeah that's what I 655 00:28:32,130 --> 00:28:29,919 heard that doesn't make sense to me why 656 00:28:33,780 --> 00:28:32,140 would you do that yeah it seems like 657 00:28:34,919 --> 00:28:33,790 it's part of a plan okay I'm gonna lie 658 00:28:37,409 --> 00:28:34,929 about this I'm not going to talk about 659 00:28:41,139 --> 00:28:37,419 this and maybe just I don't know if the 660 00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:41,149 confused I don't know sir 661 00:28:47,619 --> 00:28:45,200 a disorganized brain yeah okay going on 662 00:28:49,749 --> 00:28:47,629 here this you know if if Oswald was a 663 00:28:51,579 --> 00:28:49,759 serial killer he would not be an 664 00:28:53,829 --> 00:28:51,589 organized serial killer as they you know 665 00:28:55,329 --> 00:28:53,839 as they try to you know pro/5 I'm he 666 00:28:57,489 --> 00:28:55,339 would be disorganized he's totally 667 00:28:58,930 --> 00:28:57,499 disorganized in the way that he goes 668 00:29:01,359 --> 00:28:58,940 about answering these questions right 669 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:01,369 and wouldn't have had more money if he 670 00:29:04,989 --> 00:29:03,049 was actually someone's agent because 671 00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:04,999 there was lemon you know like not the 672 00:29:09,609 --> 00:29:07,070 end of mouth but he certainly didn't 673 00:29:11,019 --> 00:29:09,619 exactly he's basically broke yeah look 674 00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:11,029 at paycheck to paycheck I mean you can't 675 00:29:15,399 --> 00:29:12,710 even doesn't even hold a very good job 676 00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:15,409 right yeah yeah moving books yeah 677 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:18,169 basically so so Emma I should tell you 678 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:20,450 talking to a Paul Bishop my friend film 679 00:29:27,129 --> 00:29:24,529 the LAPD worked for them for 30 odd 680 00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:27,139 years and now he's a author and a 681 00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:30,159 lecturer they certainly were odd years 682 00:29:38,219 --> 00:29:33,679 I'd add one one is showing me what is 683 00:29:43,509 --> 00:29:40,899 so Paul listen you know what do you 684 00:29:46,349 --> 00:29:43,519 think happened do you think that I was 685 00:29:51,849 --> 00:29:46,359 what was the only gonna only gun man 686 00:29:53,109 --> 00:29:51,859 well I I believe it is possible for him 687 00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:53,119 to be the only gun man 688 00:29:57,310 --> 00:29:55,190 I don't know whether it was the only 689 00:29:58,869 --> 00:29:57,320 gunman but it is possible for him to 690 00:30:00,909 --> 00:29:58,879 have been the only government and we 691 00:30:04,329 --> 00:30:00,919 kind of proved that when we when we film 692 00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:04,339 the Magic Bullet situation right so with 693 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:06,710 it with that in mind you you can never 694 00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,289 say never right how about like you know 695 00:30:14,139 --> 00:30:12,320 the with the Zapruder film where you 696 00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:14,149 know it really does seem like the the 697 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:16,609 real kind of kill shot comes from the 698 00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:18,049 front I mean have you ever seen in your 699 00:30:21,369 --> 00:30:19,700 experience that someone shot from the 700 00:30:26,529 --> 00:30:21,379 back looking like they've been shot from 701 00:30:29,950 --> 00:30:26,539 the front you know bullet trajectories 702 00:30:32,169 --> 00:30:29,960 and impacts and camera angles do all 703 00:30:34,209 --> 00:30:32,179 different kind of things yeah it the 704 00:30:36,009 --> 00:30:34,219 Magruder film really makes it look like 705 00:30:39,219 --> 00:30:36,019 you get shot from the front mm-hmm 706 00:30:42,999 --> 00:30:39,229 but anytime you look at a replay on any 707 00:30:44,709 --> 00:30:43,009 given weekend for the NFL and they store 708 00:30:46,029 --> 00:30:44,719 from 12 different angles and what 709 00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:46,039 happens good point 710 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:48,830 angle but one shows that you know he 711 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:50,570 made that cat yeah then there's that one 712 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:52,369 angle that shows it was on the ground 713 00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:53,570 see yeah yeah but I want to know about 714 00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:54,750 that is that 715 00:30:58,820 --> 00:30:57,240 they've been doing instant replay for 716 00:31:01,550 --> 00:30:58,830 now almost 30 years if you can believe 717 00:31:05,390 --> 00:31:01,560 it okay yeah yeah I think it's like in 718 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:05,400 them yeah I think so in the eighties did 719 00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:07,110 they make these like kind of strange 720 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:08,820 catches before that you don't I mean 721 00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:13,170 like yeah seems like every kitchen now 722 00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:15,030 there's some controversy to it you know 723 00:31:18,860 --> 00:31:16,500 because we have the ability to go back 724 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:18,870 and look at yeah yeah so before that we 725 00:31:23,540 --> 00:31:21,450 just said wow what a catch okay yeah 726 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:23,550 yeah it has really changed the way that 727 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:25,290 the whole game is the whole game is 728 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:27,930 going down the drain it's it's losing so 729 00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,650 many viewers that even that pizza joint 730 00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,120 that's always on the other guy making 731 00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:35,580 his own pizzas there yeah they're gonna 732 00:31:38,420 --> 00:31:36,840 pull their advertising from because 733 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:38,430 they're not getting enough it looks like 734 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:40,530 they were threatening the game's 735 00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:41,970 constantly interrupted it was bad enough 736 00:31:47,270 --> 00:31:44,460 with commercial television right yeah 737 00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:47,280 yeah but now you know it's in the whole 738 00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:50,940 flow of the game is disastrous right and 739 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:53,220 I think a lot of people - they the 740 00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:54,330 tuning in I know I do 741 00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:56,760 can tune him to see how other teams are 742 00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:01,740 doing you know what I mean so let's I 743 00:32:07,460 --> 00:32:05,760 mean let's stay there because the whole 744 00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:07,470 flow of the game we talked about is 745 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:10,620 being disrupted right the whole flow of 746 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:15,210 the interrogation with Oswald was never 747 00:32:20,030 --> 00:32:18,090 in the groove well you know they spent 748 00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:20,040 seven hours with him on Friday they 749 00:32:26,420 --> 00:32:21,470 spent three hours with him on on 750 00:32:28,790 --> 00:32:26,430 Saturday and not once did it ever turn 751 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,800 into any longer than five minutes 10 752 00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:31,200 minutes before things were changed 753 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:33,390 around again right yeah people came out 754 00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,890 people came in people wanted other 755 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:36,720 questions answered you know you've got 756 00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:44,900 associations there and special interests 757 00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:50,070 and it just I would not have wanted to 758 00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,140 be in the position of having to do that 759 00:32:55,210 --> 00:32:53,760 interrogation and he never said one word 760 00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:55,220 that was helpful 761 00:32:59,470 --> 00:32:58,200 no and in fact the word did say is I 762 00:33:01,820 --> 00:32:59,480 want a lawyer 763 00:33:03,380 --> 00:33:01,830 did they give it away do they ever give 764 00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:03,390 they read him his rights I don't know 765 00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:07,200 I'm not sure about that lawyer I want a 766 00:33:10,019 --> 00:33:08,200 lawyer and even named the 767 00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:10,029 was a guy by the name of apt or 768 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:13,720 something like that okay so at that 769 00:33:22,379 --> 00:33:17,529 point what are they doing here I mean 770 00:33:23,730 --> 00:33:22,389 yes we cut off security where they don't 771 00:33:24,269 --> 00:33:23,740 have to read him the rice I can't ask 772 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:24,279 for a lawyer 773 00:33:29,299 --> 00:33:27,130 yeah I mean this was was back you know I 774 00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,309 you know 775 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:32,080 63 anyway so and then what happens like 776 00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:34,330 four days later on national TV is he's 777 00:33:37,139 --> 00:33:35,620 being moved from the Dallas Police 778 00:33:38,879 --> 00:33:37,149 Department and where they bring him to 779 00:33:39,299 --> 00:33:38,889 the State Police Headquarters or 780 00:33:42,990 --> 00:33:39,309 someplace 781 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:43,000 yeah jail and this guy Jack Ruby comes 782 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:44,529 out of nowhere and shoots them okay on 783 00:33:48,930 --> 00:33:46,330 live TV and I think that's free a lot of 784 00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:48,940 people are as well and people say well 785 00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,950 you know the way the mob hits people is 786 00:33:54,629 --> 00:33:53,440 they got a flunky to hit the guy and 787 00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:54,639 then you have someone hit the flunky 788 00:33:58,769 --> 00:33:56,169 right isn't that basically the end well 789 00:34:00,899 --> 00:33:58,779 there Paul sometimes so that's that's 790 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:00,909 the standard so they figure well you 791 00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:02,769 know as well as the flunking here's the 792 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:06,700 guy come lucky national TV but you know 793 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:07,450 who knows okay 794 00:34:11,609 --> 00:34:09,849 but so his name was Jack Ruby but all 795 00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:11,619 they have to do is is look what he was 796 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:13,750 doing like five minutes before he was at 797 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:18,010 a place selling it sending a telegram of 798 00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,690 money the one of his strippers here in a 799 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:21,520 strip club yeah and she was in the 800 00:34:24,419 --> 00:34:22,780 wallet she need a hundred bucks or 801 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:24,429 something okay so he sent at the Western 802 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:26,169 Union he's with his dog he's in love was 803 00:34:30,510 --> 00:34:28,089 dog one of these guys you know little 804 00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:30,520 poodle and he sees and he used to hang 805 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:31,750 around the fleece station he sees some 806 00:34:36,089 --> 00:34:33,550 activity so he just goes down there he 807 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:36,099 doesn't even know I mean you know who he 808 00:34:40,050 --> 00:34:38,260 is he doesn't know they move in Oswald 809 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:40,060 you know I mean this this pictures of 810 00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:41,169 him in the background from the day 811 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:43,060 before he was just hanging out at the 812 00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:46,510 police station know and he knew a lot of 813 00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:49,389 the cops and yeah he was just there he 814 00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:52,060 had the gun and bum you know I mean do 815 00:34:58,349 --> 00:34:53,440 you see anything more than that with 816 00:35:02,190 --> 00:34:58,359 Jack Ruby well no again he ruby is not 817 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:02,200 very bright he's you know he's a failed 818 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:05,050 businessman who now runs strip clubs and 819 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:09,490 he's just a looky-loo wannabe and is 820 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:11,650 this his 15 minutes of fame or does he 821 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:13,450 just get so outraged that somebody's 822 00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:14,770 killed the president doesn't care 823 00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:16,270 whether it's guilty or not gonna make 824 00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:17,960 sure he gets great yeah 825 00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:20,270 you know yes I mostly had a had a thing 826 00:35:23,859 --> 00:35:22,670 for Jackie here that Joey there and yeah 827 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:23,869 he was really in love with Jackie 828 00:35:28,569 --> 00:35:27,170 Onassis so so uh well anyway hey Paul 829 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:28,579 you know it was really good to hear 830 00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,890 you know the expert point of view for 831 00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:32,480 something like this you know it's all 832 00:35:36,250 --> 00:35:34,220 very fishy you know you know it always 833 00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:36,260 in a normal thing it always will be 834 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:37,849 unless I mean I don't know if there's 835 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:39,170 you know there's supposedly there's I 836 00:35:42,730 --> 00:35:40,670 don't think I'll ever be an end game on 837 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:42,740 I don't think there's any document 838 00:35:45,059 --> 00:35:43,970 that's gonna show you what actually 839 00:35:48,579 --> 00:35:45,069 happened 840 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:48,589 even if Oswald came back from the dead 841 00:35:53,650 --> 00:35:51,050 yes and pulled you step-by-step exactly 842 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:53,660 what happened explained everything there 843 00:35:58,660 --> 00:35:54,770 would still be people who didn't believe 844 00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,670 in other answers yeah yeah yep sure I 845 00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:00,079 mean really there will always be people 846 00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:01,670 questioned well how about this okay good 847 00:36:09,849 --> 00:36:06,470 show it yeah yeah maybe we can find 848 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:09,859 somebody who can channel the dead hey 849 00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:11,300 actually we do 850 00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,440 yes I mean no one in particular yes 851 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:16,880 anyway hey Paul 852 00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:18,890 once again mention your book I love this 853 00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:22,640 idea Thanks 52 weeks fifty-two Western 854 00:36:27,579 --> 00:36:24,950 novels you can obviously pick it up 855 00:36:29,410 --> 00:36:27,589 through Amazon it's a large size trade 856 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:29,420 paperback with a beautiful color 857 00:36:33,970 --> 00:36:32,450 interior and cover and I I think that 858 00:36:36,420 --> 00:36:33,980 anybody who picks it up whether they're 859 00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,430 a western fan or neophyte will find 860 00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:38,960 something to like inside uh-huh and then 861 00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:41,089 fifty-two western movies coming soon 862 00:36:46,539 --> 00:36:43,910 yeah well we'll hopefully have that in 863 00:36:48,910 --> 00:36:46,549 the formatting stage by the end of 864 00:36:52,359 --> 00:36:48,920 December and so out in the early part of 865 00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,369 2018 okay the searches in there The 866 00:36:57,250 --> 00:36:55,520 Searchers is in this book oh really oh 867 00:36:59,410 --> 00:36:57,260 those are those were stinking from a 868 00:37:02,380 --> 00:36:59,420 novel by Allen LeMay oh did not know 869 00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:02,390 that Wow there hmm yeah that's also a 870 00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:05,480 cool movie yeah throw in our so because 871 00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:08,180 John Wayne has a very different role in 872 00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:09,440 that than anything else he ever played 873 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:12,140 Yeah right yeah yeah and John Ford was 874 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:14,690 the director right yeah okay first of 875 00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:16,130 all I don't think he wore a patch he was 876 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:18,670 only one eye and he's the guy that 877 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:21,290 almost a lot of his big westerns I've 878 00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:23,690 filmed in Monument Canyon and Utah were 879 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:24,280 all those 880 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:27,370 and a weird informations yeah you really 881 00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:31,450 think the law that's the West yeah it is 882 00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:34,900 the West their particular that just you 883 00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:38,380 know so much that the terrain just you 884 00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:42,940 know kind of blessed us it's sits okay 885 00:37:47,550 --> 00:37:45,430 so anyway so well thanks for joining us 886 00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:47,560 westerns are coming back I would love 887 00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:49,630 wedeck terms ban yeah I love West I mean 888 00:37:56,250 --> 00:37:52,600 back in the day cowboys and Indians so 889 00:37:58,290 --> 00:37:56,260 yeah yeah right yeah yeah yeah there's 890 00:38:00,060 --> 00:37:58,300 not Fort Apache cowboys and Native 891 00:38:03,810 --> 00:38:00,070 American movies cowboys and Indians 892 00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:03,820 right now you can't do one anymore yeah 893 00:38:10,410 --> 00:38:07,260 it's too politically correct I mean it's 894 00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:10,420 that's what you play if you want to see 895 00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:13,270 a real like Western of its times is 896 00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:17,500 called she wore a yellow ribbon okay and 897 00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:20,590 it's really a Calvary movie you know it 898 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:23,320 is really a demo it's it's just kind of 899 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:25,210 strange you know they they march to the 900 00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:29,170 you know America to the national anthem 901 00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:31,060 and stuff it's it's really kind of corny 902 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:32,950 in a way yeah but there's a lot of cool 903 00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,170 scenes in this Fort Apache was named so 904 00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:36,880 anyway hey listen Paul thanks for 905 00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:38,500 joining us okay taking the time 906 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:41,020 do you have a good time in Europe yes I 907 00:38:47,550 --> 00:38:44,170 did great time in Europe which I hope to 908 00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:47,560 go back soon would you go went to 909 00:38:53,250 --> 00:38:51,640 Budapest Austria Germany and the Czech 910 00:38:56,220 --> 00:38:53,260 Republic so kind of an Eastern European 911 00:38:57,810 --> 00:38:56,230 tour this time around Wow oh we can get 912 00:39:01,580 --> 00:38:57,820 arrested or anything nothing 913 00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,590 no you're entertained okay 914 00:39:07,950 --> 00:39:03,760 thanks Paul thanks for joining us and 915 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:07,960 well real soon okay Wow Paul Bishop man 916 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:08,650 there you go 917 00:39:12,090 --> 00:39:10,270 yeah from the professional side of 918 00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:12,100 things you know very occasion here on 919 00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:13,960 the show all I guess the world travelers 920 00:39:17,310 --> 00:39:15,670 yeah you know it's funny one one is I'm 921 00:39:19,110 --> 00:39:17,320 looking at you I can see up the window I 922 00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:19,120 see flashes of light out there is it 923 00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:21,480 because of lightning you know it's no I 924 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:24,340 into that window behind me maybe the 925 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:26,890 buildings on fire she knows there you go 926 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:33,550 there's a hero no he used to hunt in 927 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:35,570 Russian subs now he's looking for 928 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:38,130 that'll lose the touch anyway why don't 929 00:39:40,820 --> 00:39:39,450 we take a commercial break now you 930 00:39:42,290 --> 00:39:40,830 listening to make noise mill tracks well 931 00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:42,300 show here I'm a distant Thunder radio 932 00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:45,380 network we'll be right back after this 933 00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:48,590 America has lost World War three 934 00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:51,660 terrorists control the countryside air 935 00:39:59,579 --> 00:39:55,110 pirates rule our skies the United States 936 00:40:03,209 --> 00:40:02,160 but just when it seems like freedom is a 937 00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:03,219 thing of the past 938 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:06,400 a new hero emerges from the ashes a true 939 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:08,410 American who stands up for what's right 940 00:40:21,090 --> 00:40:10,930 a fighter pilot who could defeat any 941 00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:23,610 follow the adventures of pot hunter the 942 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:26,380 wingman as he fights to revive the idea 943 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:28,930 of America through 17 action-packed 944 00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:31,330 books hunter battles all those who would 945 00:40:36,810 --> 00:40:34,360 tread on old war in the air on the sea 946 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:36,820 or on the ground his dream is to put the 947 00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:38,890 United States back together again and 948 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:42,400 get laid a lot while he's doing it for 949 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:43,930 some of the greatest aerial action 950 00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:46,810 you'll ever experience strapped in an 951 00:40:52,530 --> 00:40:50,740 old uh wingman by Mack Maloney now 952 00:40:59,540 --> 00:40:52,540 available for Kindles and nooks on 953 00:41:21,490 --> 00:41:19,530 [Music] 954 00:41:22,810 --> 00:41:21,500 welcome back everyone to Mack mommy's 955 00:41:25,150 --> 00:41:22,820 mill tracks I'll show here on the 956 00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:25,160 distant Thunder radio network make money 957 00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:27,320 in the studio with us tonight the very 958 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:29,270 famous one one is yeah hello Mac how's 959 00:41:31,930 --> 00:41:30,050 it going so far 960 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:31,940 okay so far so good I think who knows 961 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:33,650 yeah you know this is a special we're 962 00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:35,810 doing on the JFK assassination we 963 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:39,740 figured out it was 54 years 54 years ago 964 00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:42,530 okay as an event that really kind of 965 00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:45,710 changed how things were in this country 966 00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,030 frankly I think everything is a little 967 00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,040 bit innocent beforehand even though the 968 00:41:52,540 --> 00:41:50,720 Cuban Missile Crisis was like there was 969 00:41:53,980 --> 00:41:52,550 a sausage yeah that wasn't a lot of fun 970 00:41:58,030 --> 00:41:53,990 that was helping you practice your 971 00:41:59,650 --> 00:41:58,040 duck-and-cover yeah and but it was 972 00:42:01,540 --> 00:41:59,660 certainly the end of the 50s let's put 973 00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:01,550 it that way on candy getting shot JFK 974 00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:03,830 getting shot down in Dallas November 975 00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:06,680 22nd 1963 hey I was listening to music 976 00:42:11,170 --> 00:42:09,380 by the Four Seasons really at the time 977 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:11,180 yeah sherry 978 00:42:15,250 --> 00:42:13,250 oh yeah yeah okay yeah that sounds about 979 00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:15,260 right yep 980 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:20,060 on the on the line with us I know you 981 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:21,650 know your arms and you know this thing 982 00:42:27,550 --> 00:42:25,450 was what don't tell me something focus 983 00:42:29,710 --> 00:42:27,560 focus you mean don't tell you something 984 00:42:38,650 --> 00:42:29,720 that it's gonna you know ruin my that's 985 00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:41,080 we decided today to that we're gonna get 986 00:42:47,610 --> 00:42:42,680 some kind of disclaimer to put at the 987 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,540 really for some reason or something it's 988 00:42:59,860 --> 00:42:55,040 a long thing anyway on the phone with us 989 00:43:00,970 --> 00:42:59,870 going in from the bowler flakes up there 990 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:00,980 in Michigan 991 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:04,370 switch Arena switch presentation I 992 00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:09,890 enjoyed that one Steve Ward's this is 993 00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:11,830 the power man 994 00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:13,700 presentation that's really talking about 995 00:43:19,390 --> 00:43:17,480 right very well now that I've just had a 996 00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:19,400 wrestling magic Kent with Skype tonight 997 00:43:23,590 --> 00:43:21,980 okay yes right I'm wrestling I was just 998 00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,600 gonna say one one you know the script 999 00:43:27,070 --> 00:43:25,040 goes where Steve tells us now how 1000 00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:27,080 wonderful is I say how are you and he 1001 00:43:31,099 --> 00:43:28,079 tells us you know 1002 00:43:32,959 --> 00:43:31,109 he's beyond the vine or something so we 1003 00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:32,969 have to do it my writers don't have 1004 00:43:37,009 --> 00:43:34,920 something every week so we want we want 1005 00:43:38,209 --> 00:43:37,019 to keep the audience wondering is he 1006 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:38,219 going to come up with another you know 1007 00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:40,650 classy or silly expression that way 1008 00:43:44,779 --> 00:43:42,150 you're saying you don't have anything 1009 00:43:45,759 --> 00:43:44,789 tonight it that's exactly what I'm 1010 00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:45,769 saying 1011 00:43:49,789 --> 00:43:47,819 but Emily might have something less 1012 00:43:53,059 --> 00:43:49,799 maybe Emily's got a good you know 1013 00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:53,069 tagline okay all right sounds a bit okay 1014 00:43:58,099 --> 00:43:55,380 hang on why don't we introduce the first 1015 00:43:59,420 --> 00:43:58,109 a good friend down there in Cincinnati 1016 00:44:04,190 --> 00:43:59,430 the fun capital of the world 1017 00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:04,200 Emily minimize hello I am doing better 1018 00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:06,150 than Steve Ward tonight Wow how about 1019 00:44:10,219 --> 00:44:08,430 that Steve are you know he's doing she's 1020 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:10,229 doing better than you how does it make 1021 00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:15,690 you feel okay really yeah something 1022 00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:17,400 wrong well it's gonna go down the road 1023 00:44:27,709 --> 00:44:19,140 on why you feel better than sweat right 1024 00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:27,719 yeah just high in life yeah thank you 1025 00:44:32,089 --> 00:44:30,209 thank you very much Luther launched into 1026 00:44:34,689 --> 00:44:32,099 Skype I think tonight did tonight that 1027 00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:34,699 is true that's the main reason 1028 00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:39,100 Skype pictures fabulous you can't go on 1029 00:44:50,539 --> 00:44:46,400 well we can see if you was like this the 1030 00:44:55,579 --> 00:44:53,359 so anyway so let me just set up you know 1031 00:44:57,799 --> 00:44:55,589 really quick I mean the the JFK 1032 00:44:59,509 --> 00:44:57,809 assassination is brought in like so many 1033 00:45:01,189 --> 00:44:59,519 strange things you know the conspiracy 1034 00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:01,199 thing is weird enough okay and it just 1035 00:45:05,269 --> 00:45:03,420 goes on forever you know there never be 1036 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:05,279 resolved you're right and who killed him 1037 00:45:09,259 --> 00:45:07,049 and why and how many gunmen and stuff 1038 00:45:12,259 --> 00:45:09,269 like that but there's a lot of really 1039 00:45:16,009 --> 00:45:12,269 strange kind of ancillary things if I 1040 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:16,019 can unite ciliary right thank you know 1041 00:45:24,229 --> 00:45:22,370 like for instance three hobos were 1042 00:45:27,019 --> 00:45:24,239 arrested like shortly after the 1043 00:45:32,170 --> 00:45:27,029 assassination and one of them was Woody 1044 00:45:34,969 --> 00:45:32,180 Harrelson's father the actor yes 1045 00:45:37,969 --> 00:45:34,979 Nixon was in Dallas that day and so was 1046 00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:37,979 George W Bush like it seemed like he's a 1047 00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:42,890 and there's all kinds of really kind of 1048 00:45:46,310 --> 00:45:44,280 crazy stuff like that but there was a 1049 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:46,320 story and I'm just gonna thumbnail the 1050 00:45:54,110 --> 00:45:50,090 UFO version in 1947 before the famous 1051 00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:54,120 flying saucer sighting by what's his 1052 00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:55,500 name who's his name they arrest you for 1053 00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:57,060 you know Kenneth Kenneth are kind of 1054 00:46:01,460 --> 00:45:58,770 found okay he's the guy who saw these 1055 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:01,470 UFOs in and through the media 1056 00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:02,970 interviewing him they came up the word 1057 00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,910 flying saucer okay not exactly what he 1058 00:46:11,090 --> 00:46:08,400 saw saucer shape but he said something 1059 00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:11,100 like the sauce is skipping across a lake 1060 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:13,710 and so they went with flying saucer so 1061 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:16,290 um right before that there's up in 1062 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:17,970 Spokane Washington there's a place 1063 00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:20,130 called Mari island and they do a lot of 1064 00:46:24,610 --> 00:46:22,350 lumber work up there you don't come down 1065 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:24,620 trees and something and they then they 1066 00:46:29,780 --> 00:46:26,970 transported by water under you so anyway 1067 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:29,790 and some of the trees was great away so 1068 00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:31,890 this guy had a business where he would 1069 00:46:37,580 --> 00:46:35,700 basically capture the runaway water swam 1070 00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:37,590 out to it well he had a boat yeah got a 1071 00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:41,430 boat and they would tow him okay and so 1072 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:42,750 they were out there doing this with the 1073 00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:45,690 Sun and a dog and someone else and these 1074 00:46:49,580 --> 00:46:48,150 five doughnut-shaped UFOs now this is 1075 00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:49,590 before anyone really even thought about 1076 00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:51,710 UFOs but I'm good three weeks before 1077 00:46:55,820 --> 00:46:54,390 came right down on top of them okay and 1078 00:46:58,580 --> 00:46:55,830 we're hovering right over and they would 1079 00:47:01,730 --> 00:46:58,590 think Donuts don't oppose and so they is 1080 00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:01,740 this a sips so no it sounds like it they 1081 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:03,420 go to this island mari island 1082 00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:05,810 all right and they're watching me 1083 00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:15,180 because so what now I want a donut we 1084 00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:23,100 should go get some so so anyway these 1085 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:25,020 UFOs excreted like this stuff that they 1086 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:26,970 called slag and it looks like you know 1087 00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:29,010 the the waste product of making steel 1088 00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:30,480 but they don't make steel anywhere I 1089 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:32,520 know this place it's the lumber country 1090 00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:35,250 right it killed the dog and hit the dog 1091 00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:37,020 and he died and so on so the guy goes 1092 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:39,750 back and first they didn't want to tell 1093 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:41,370 anyone they had a meeting from the man 1094 00:47:45,590 --> 00:47:44,130 in black and it goes on and on and on in 1095 00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:45,600 the middle of all this there's this guy 1096 00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:47,790 named Fred Chrisman okay and he was that 1097 00:47:50,810 --> 00:47:49,230 guy's mother I can't remember the guys 1098 00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:50,820 name who it actually happened to do you 1099 00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:53,880 remember switch a Harold Dahl Harold 1100 00:47:59,810 --> 00:47:56,420 okay fredchristman was his boss right 1101 00:48:01,400 --> 00:47:59,820 well you know that's not clear you get a 1102 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:01,410 lot of different sources on this but 1103 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:02,850 they know they know each other and he 1104 00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:04,290 was he was a part of this whole thing 1105 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:07,710 fredchristman later on I just wanted you 1106 00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:09,330 and then we'll get into it later on he 1107 00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:11,190 was called before the Committee on the 1108 00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:13,140 assassination of Kennedy yeah okay and 1109 00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:14,520 no one ever really knows why and I'm 1110 00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:15,990 thinking I don't think he went I think 1111 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:18,180 the FBI gheymeh but I think it was Jane 1112 00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:20,730 I was James garrison right Louisiana 1113 00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:23,190 Attorney and supposedly there were some 1114 00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:26,310 photographs of somebody on in Dealey 1115 00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:30,240 Plaza that looked like Frank okay all 1116 00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:31,800 right so maybe that was a connection but 1117 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:33,990 the thing is is like we hear about these 1118 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:35,370 guys every once in a while these 1119 00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:37,050 characters that just kind of come and go 1120 00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:38,760 you know what I mean nondescript people 1121 00:48:42,110 --> 00:48:40,200 from out of nowhere right but it turns 1122 00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:42,120 out he was here at this certain time he 1123 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:43,440 was here when this happened in that game 1124 00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:44,970 it's no it's the connection and you 1125 00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:46,500 can't really figure it out it's amazing 1126 00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:48,510 you can't really figure out so so is 1127 00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:49,980 that basic you want to just tell the 1128 00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:51,480 story the rest of the story the Mario 1129 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:53,310 and uh you know meeting in the hotel and 1130 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:55,410 all that's what you know it yeah it's 1131 00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,210 it's jump around a little bit here 1132 00:49:01,100 --> 00:48:59,520 there's I've got three major sources on 1133 00:49:04,460 --> 00:49:01,110 this and and I think Emily might have 1134 00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:04,470 some more okay John keel wrote a really 1135 00:49:10,070 --> 00:49:06,510 interesting article in anomaly magazine 1136 00:49:11,810 --> 00:49:10,080 once it really brings forth some kind of 1137 00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:11,820 makes sense of just being a conspiracy 1138 00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:13,830 some of the other information I got was 1139 00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,440 from Jerome Clark out of streams guys 1140 00:49:18,550 --> 00:49:18,000 that of my favorite I thought he's the 1141 00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:18,560 best 1142 00:49:25,070 --> 00:49:22,020 Clark thinks that a lot of it was a hoax 1143 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:25,080 and then it also went through you know 1144 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:27,210 Kenneth Arnold himself he co-wrote a 1145 00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:29,250 book with Ray Palmer will talk about Ray 1146 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:31,110 Palmer to second called coming of the 1147 00:49:36,110 --> 00:49:32,970 saucers and Kenneth Arnold gives the 1148 00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:36,120 whole rendition of everything that 1149 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:37,440 happened from beginning to end because 1150 00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:41,850 what happened was Ray Palmer who was the 1151 00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:45,030 editor of amazing stories back then got 1152 00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:48,120 a message from fredchristman about this 1153 00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:49,710 incident about these supposedly 1154 00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:51,900 doughnut-shaped objects over Maury 1155 00:49:56,780 --> 00:49:53,910 island and to drop the Schlage Braun 1156 00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,790 came and so Ray Palmer got a hold of 1157 00:50:01,220 --> 00:49:58,500 Kenneth Arnold on the wake of his 1158 00:50:02,330 --> 00:50:01,230 sighting and said here's a warrior II 1159 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:02,340 some money would you go out and 1160 00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:04,170 investigate this to Washington state so 1161 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:06,300 Kenneth Adams was the reporter for the 1162 00:50:08,420 --> 00:50:07,050 magazine 1163 00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:08,430 this thing if you can imagine he 1164 00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:10,140 probably got to be the first reporting 1165 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:12,120 job you've had but they paid him so he 1166 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:14,010 went and did it go ahead please right he 1167 00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:15,810 he became interested in what was going 1168 00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:21,270 on and it was all kinds of when you read 1169 00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,830 these different accounts it's craziness 1170 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:24,540 all kinds of conflicts and it's very 1171 00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:26,130 very difficult to sort through what's 1172 00:50:33,110 --> 00:50:30,240 real mm-hmm okay now see originally I 1173 00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,120 thought that the story was BS I thought 1174 00:50:37,610 --> 00:50:35,280 that they fabricated the story about the 1175 00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:37,620 donuts because I think it was that part 1176 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:40,110 was actually reported after Kenneth 1177 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:42,450 Arnold sighting and they simply said you 1178 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:44,370 know this this incident happened among 1179 00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:46,170 days before Yeah right a few weeks 1180 00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:47,520 before right it might have been even a 1181 00:50:51,350 --> 00:50:49,140 few days before right I think it was 1182 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:51,360 just a few days but anyway but also now 1183 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:53,130 but there still may be some truth to it 1184 00:50:57,740 --> 00:50:55,650 because supposedly Ray Palmer the editor 1185 00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:57,750 of amazing stories got ahold of some 1186 00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:00,480 hospital records that prove that hair of 1187 00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:02,310 dolls son was injured in them in the 1188 00:51:08,330 --> 00:51:05,400 hospital right okay yes now John keel 1189 00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:08,340 believes that they they weren't 1190 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:10,080 donut-shaped objects that a couple of 1191 00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:12,570 aircraft probably went over one may have 1192 00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,520 gotten in trouble and they jumped this 1193 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:16,440 radioactive slag that they were trying 1194 00:51:24,830 --> 00:51:21,210 to get rid of okay I gotta find the he 1195 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:24,840 was a the Atomic Energy Commission AEC 1196 00:51:30,010 --> 00:51:27,570 they had a metallurgical plant at 1197 00:51:32,090 --> 00:51:30,020 Hanford Washington and they were 1198 00:51:34,340 --> 00:51:32,100 processing plutonium at the time 1199 00:51:37,310 --> 00:51:34,350 according to Kiel sources and they were 1200 00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:37,320 creating radioactive waste he says that 1201 00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:38,700 at the time they were going out and 1202 00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,070 dumping this waste in in the ocean in 1203 00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:43,920 into various bodies of water he thinks 1204 00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:46,680 that one of these aircraft ran into 1205 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:48,150 trouble and actually dropped some of the 1206 00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:49,770 stuff in a Maury island and may in fact 1207 00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:53,400 have dropped it on Herald dolls boat now 1208 00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:55,020 Jerome Clark thinks that the whole thing 1209 00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:56,910 was bogus and that you know nothing ever 1210 00:52:00,830 --> 00:51:58,410 happened there so now I get that 1211 00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:00,840 conflict but at least with this this 1212 00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:03,990 radioactive slag actually have no reason 1213 00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:05,940 for that because when you and I have 1214 00:52:12,070 --> 00:52:08,240 talked about this before Mac about the 1215 00:52:15,970 --> 00:52:12,080 crazy links that if it's a hoax that 1216 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:15,980 Chrisman and Dahl went through to to 1217 00:52:20,420 --> 00:52:18,570 perpetrate this hoax right they they 1218 00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:20,430 even 1219 00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:22,550 when Kenneth Arnold first got there 1220 00:52:25,820 --> 00:52:25,380 there was a hotel ready for him in my 1221 00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:25,830 name 1222 00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:28,110 I wasn't even planning on and going into 1223 00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:34,230 yes I also well they got a hotel room in 1224 00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:37,110 the in the principles for the whole kind 1225 00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:39,780 of situation sat in this room and they 1226 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:42,300 did they're telling Kenneth Ahnold their 1227 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:45,450 story and the phone rings and it's the 1228 00:52:51,050 --> 00:52:48,930 editor of a newspaper close by he says I 1229 00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:51,060 have a guy on the other on the other 1230 00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:52,710 phone whose tell me exactly what you 1231 00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:54,030 people are talking about 1232 00:52:57,350 --> 00:52:56,520 okay so we're and and Kenneth on Jose 1233 00:52:59,810 --> 00:52:57,360 well well well 1234 00:53:02,330 --> 00:52:59,820 so then just just to kind of shorten it 1235 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:02,340 to the air for somehow gets involved who 1236 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:06,210 called the Air Force do we know it was 1237 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:09,050 brown and Davidson to Air Force 1238 00:53:13,580 --> 00:53:12,090 intelligence agents showed up at the 1239 00:53:15,590 --> 00:53:13,590 time I'm not sure who originally 1240 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:15,600 contacted him but it was apparently was 1241 00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:17,490 no secret when Kenneth Arnold first 1242 00:53:20,570 --> 00:53:19,500 showed up in Washington that's what they 1243 00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:20,580 know they showed up then and they 1244 00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:22,260 basically say what right if there's 1245 00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:25,020 anything you find anything important you 1246 00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:26,430 know you can call us here's this phone 1247 00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:28,950 number and so forth and so much to 1248 00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:31,350 Kenneth Arnold's regret later on when 1249 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:32,640 they got ahold of some of the supposed 1250 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:34,890 slag right he did call them and bring 1251 00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:37,770 them back in of course so these guys we 1252 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:39,240 should say these two guys they come to 1253 00:53:43,070 --> 00:53:41,250 the hotel room okay and now they're 1254 00:53:45,350 --> 00:53:43,080 talking in the same reporter gets a 1255 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:45,360 college says I can I can I can hear I 1256 00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:47,010 can tell you exactly what their time but 1257 00:53:49,610 --> 00:53:48,300 no one ever figure out who called the 1258 00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:49,620 newspaper okay 1259 00:53:53,180 --> 00:53:51,510 but obviously he wanted to know he 1260 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:53,190 wanted them to know that the place was 1261 00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:53,730 bugged 1262 00:53:59,300 --> 00:53:56,730 so the two intelligence officers who 1263 00:54:01,640 --> 00:53:59,310 were also pilots are in a b25 this is 1264 00:54:04,610 --> 00:54:01,650 you know 1947 they take some of the slag 1265 00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:04,620 and they get back to they be twenty five 1266 00:54:08,090 --> 00:54:06,270 they're gonna fly back to California 1267 00:54:11,150 --> 00:54:08,100 because it's it's very close to the day 1268 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:11,160 where the USAF war started from the Army 1269 00:54:15,590 --> 00:54:12,810 Air Force of the US Air Force in a big 1270 00:54:17,330 --> 00:54:15,600 ceremony right their plane crashes in 1271 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:17,340 both of them get killed you know I think 1272 00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:18,930 the Cobras on with us now you didn't 1273 00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:19,470 think Kobe 1274 00:54:25,490 --> 00:54:23,550 I am so anyway so yeah so now these two 1275 00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:25,500 guys died so after that that kind of 1276 00:54:28,550 --> 00:54:26,700 freak though Kenneth on of them I think 1277 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:28,560 that's when he you decide you know I'm 1278 00:54:31,580 --> 00:54:29,970 getting outta this is like really nuts 1279 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:31,590 and let's face it he's gonna make 1280 00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:33,450 hundred bucks from this odd 1281 00:54:37,819 --> 00:54:34,710 go for this magazine that would have 1282 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:37,829 been a lot for the 40s okay he he gets 1283 00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,410 in his plane and takes off and boom 1284 00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:42,480 almost if someone has scooter on his 1285 00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:44,280 carburetor and what happened was he 1286 00:54:48,380 --> 00:54:46,800 stopped for a refueling stop and barely 1287 00:54:50,359 --> 00:54:48,390 left him if he's paranoid by this time 1288 00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:50,369 so he barely leaves his plane you know 1289 00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,880 but then he takes off he avoids say he 1290 00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:55,680 has a crash landing but he avoids injury 1291 00:55:01,040 --> 00:54:57,660 he finds not somebody turned off the 1292 00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:01,050 fuel valve okay you know so when he 1293 00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:02,579 pretty first got there he gets a hold of 1294 00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,070 Harold Dahl Harold Dahl seems to be very 1295 00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:07,920 reluctant I I I'm not sure that doll and 1296 00:55:11,660 --> 00:55:09,900 Chrisman were originally friends I'm 1297 00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:11,670 thinking that fredchristman somehow 1298 00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:14,190 interjected himself in this and it was 1299 00:55:20,839 --> 00:55:17,400 kind of staged right Dahl takes Kenneth 1300 00:55:23,420 --> 00:55:20,849 Arnold to this house where his secretary 1301 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:23,430 is and his office is right and it just a 1302 00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:25,290 normal house on the corner somewhere in 1303 00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:28,320 the middle of nowhere and you see some 1304 00:55:31,460 --> 00:55:29,550 of this suppose like they're in the 1305 00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:31,470 talks and then things progress and then 1306 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:33,510 he meets fredchristman and then later on 1307 00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,210 and when he gets another eye one of his 1308 00:55:41,180 --> 00:55:37,680 Air Force friends I think a guy who 1309 00:55:43,550 --> 00:55:41,190 called Smitty involved they go back but 1310 00:55:45,319 --> 00:55:43,560 after all this you know has happened and 1311 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:45,329 the and the two intelligence agents are 1312 00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:47,490 dead in the plane they go back to this 1313 00:55:51,620 --> 00:55:49,230 house and it's just like in the movies 1314 00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:51,630 it's empty there's nobody there there's 1315 00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:52,740 no one furniture in there 1316 00:55:56,329 --> 00:55:54,660 in fact he I mean he was just been there 1317 00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:56,339 a couple days before right he looked at 1318 00:56:01,220 --> 00:55:59,220 the door and there's cobwebs there yeah 1319 00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,230 he's freaking out like he knows this is 1320 00:56:05,089 --> 00:56:02,880 the same house he said it's even the 1321 00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:05,099 same squeak on the porch that he walked 1322 00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:06,720 up yeah I mean how weird is that 1323 00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:09,240 and then and then then the FBI gets 1324 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:11,400 involved okay and this in j.edgar is you 1325 00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:14,010 know a head of the FBI this way and his 1326 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:17,099 mate they came upon like cables that his 1327 00:56:20,359 --> 00:56:18,810 agent sent to him and they're saying you 1328 00:56:22,550 --> 00:56:20,369 know this looks like this is really on 1329 00:56:25,339 --> 00:56:22,560 the up-and-up these people saw this you 1330 00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:25,349 know and and and JJ Hoover wrote back he 1331 00:56:28,460 --> 00:56:26,670 says you know this this sounds like a 1332 00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:28,470 legitimate UFO thing flying saw 1333 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:30,420 something so he was on board okay 1334 00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:34,890 and um you know and then this Fed 1335 00:56:37,849 --> 00:56:36,270 Chrisman guys so then he kind of 1336 00:56:40,339 --> 00:56:37,859 disappears all right and it kind of 1337 00:56:42,380 --> 00:56:40,349 blows over in a way he disappears and 1338 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:42,390 then I don't know it must been sometime 1339 00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:44,130 after 63 where they stopped the 1340 00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:46,140 committee on the assassinated JFK boom 1341 00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:46,680 who's on 1342 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:51,900 fredchristman character I mean it's and 1343 00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:54,930 he had changed his name to John Gould 1344 00:57:00,200 --> 00:56:57,660 he was a on a radio station out in 1345 00:57:02,510 --> 00:57:00,210 Washington State for a while and as a 1346 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:02,520 muckraker holiday oh boy 1347 00:57:09,050 --> 00:57:07,890 but oh that around hey listen Emily what 1348 00:57:12,260 --> 00:57:09,060 do you have on any of us 1349 00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:12,270 oh man I'm leaving most of this one to 1350 00:57:18,860 --> 00:57:15,480 Steve tonight I did I know more about 1351 00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:18,870 the the JFK assassination which 1352 00:57:25,310 --> 00:57:24,030 conspiracies then there's no way of that 1353 00:57:37,460 --> 00:57:25,320 you were alive when this happened 1354 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:37,470 correct so so when you look back then as 1355 00:57:40,850 --> 00:57:39,330 someone who you know wasn't around I 1356 00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:40,860 wasn't around either the one one was 1357 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:42,510 already an elderly man when it happened 1358 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:52,530 on the school thank you see 63 22 15 1359 00:57:57,950 --> 00:57:56,370 okay I was I was in sixth grade when we 1360 00:58:00,350 --> 00:57:57,960 were in class and one of the janitors 1361 00:58:02,060 --> 00:58:00,360 came in and heard it on the radio yeah 1362 00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:02,070 yeah the same thing you know it means 1363 00:58:06,350 --> 00:58:03,480 it's a freshman in high school coming 1364 00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:06,360 home on the bus really yeah okay so so 1365 00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:08,790 Emily now you yeah yeah you're looking 1366 00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:10,200 at it from a different perspective from 1367 00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:12,540 us all right from us geezers 1368 00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:17,880 yeah can you can you can you appreciate 1369 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:19,800 you know what it did do you know what I 1370 00:58:23,020 --> 00:58:21,450 mean because you didn't you you know 1371 00:58:26,660 --> 00:58:23,030 didn't know what was like before him 1372 00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:26,670 sure oh absolutely and I've always been 1373 00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,070 into history that's actually what I 1374 00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:31,200 tried to go to college to be only to 1375 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:32,940 realize that I probably couldn't find a 1376 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:35,850 job so I did it right I've always loved 1377 00:58:40,910 --> 00:58:38,970 history so I've definitely researched it 1378 00:58:43,220 --> 00:58:40,920 quite a bit but only from what they tell 1379 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:43,230 you in the history books it wasn't until 1380 00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:46,530 I was you know probably late in my 20s 1381 00:58:50,780 --> 00:58:48,870 that I ever heard much about the 1382 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:50,790 different conspiracy theories behind it 1383 00:58:57,950 --> 00:58:53,730 okay late in the twenties while I must 1384 00:58:59,960 --> 00:58:57,960 happen last week it's exactly I mean 1385 00:59:00,980 --> 00:58:59,970 from that perspective I mean what does 1386 00:59:03,290 --> 00:59:00,990 it look like to you 1387 00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:03,300 does it look like a conspiracy does it 1388 00:59:10,310 --> 00:59:07,680 look like the lone gunman I don't think 1389 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:10,320 it looks like a lone gunman and you know 1390 00:59:15,859 --> 00:59:12,930 I haven't done a ton of research into 1391 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:15,869 alternate theories of it but to me it 1392 00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:19,290 just seems so I don't know it doesn't 1393 00:59:21,950 --> 00:59:20,550 seem like it could have happened with a 1394 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:21,960 location where the bullets went in 1395 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:25,050 seemed it could occur on the same just 1396 00:59:30,290 --> 00:59:28,170 that part alone so so how about JFK 1397 00:59:33,790 --> 00:59:30,300 himself okay you obviously seen pictures 1398 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:33,800 and video and of him yeah was he hunky 1399 00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:36,370 [Laughter] 1400 00:59:59,720 --> 00:59:57,830 who had some of the fun either albums 1401 01:00:01,460 --> 00:59:59,730 the first video yeah man they still 1402 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:01,470 around yeah well there was a comedian 1403 01:00:05,330 --> 01:00:03,210 named Juan Mita and he kind of looked 1404 01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:05,340 like Kennedy with something and he 1405 01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:07,830 sounded exactly like them and and they 1406 01:00:13,250 --> 01:00:09,150 put up I think he's just got the first 1407 01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:13,260 family to yeah everybody had that it was 1408 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:14,460 really kind of strange 1409 01:00:18,410 --> 01:00:17,010 beside my bob newhart records yeah Bob 1410 01:00:21,620 --> 01:00:18,420 knew how do you say people meaning just 1411 01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:21,630 put up vinyl albums back they competed 1412 01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:29,030 one meter must have said after he read 1413 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:30,660 Kenny gets shot and killed him as a bang 1414 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:37,290 that goes the gig so um well we've heard 1415 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:42,930 from a child okay and she was John 1416 01:00:45,859 --> 01:00:45,570 Lennon got shot don't say that don't say 1417 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:45,869 that 1418 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:52,170 1980s because my birthday was yesterday 1419 01:00:58,700 --> 01:00:56,250 so I probably was around Oh 1980 all 1420 01:01:01,210 --> 01:00:58,710 right well okay you didn't get our 1421 01:01:05,810 --> 01:01:01,220 birthday card yet then oh I'm thinking I 1422 01:01:07,099 --> 01:01:05,820 did not it's in the mail so sorry the 1423 01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:07,109 whole thing about the whole tree F key 1424 01:01:10,820 --> 01:01:08,700 thing in nether Cobras here you know we 1425 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:10,830 want to hear his take on it but like you 1426 01:01:13,609 --> 01:01:13,410 know for something to have happened all 1427 01:01:16,310 --> 01:01:13,619 right 1428 01:01:18,830 --> 01:01:16,320 so many weird little stories happened 1429 01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:18,840 around it so many strange things that 1430 01:01:22,910 --> 01:01:20,609 people cannot figure out you know like I 1431 01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:22,920 say one of them how did as well go from 1432 01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:24,660 the Book Depository building took 1433 01:01:28,790 --> 01:01:26,609 crosstown where he shoots like a jet 1434 01:01:30,740 --> 01:01:28,800 pack or something no one can tell ya no 1435 01:01:32,510 --> 01:01:30,750 one knows if someone drove him that's a 1436 01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:32,520 conspiracy you know but why would they 1437 01:01:36,530 --> 01:01:34,440 drop him off well why did he kill the 1438 01:01:38,330 --> 01:01:36,540 cop if you have the cab it wouldn't be a 1439 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:38,340 conspiracy with the cab guy no but they 1440 01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:39,930 could win the cab company come forward 1441 01:01:44,270 --> 01:01:42,660 and say look at I drove them you know 1442 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:44,280 look at his face 1443 01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:48,090 I don't know never came back yeah did 1444 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:50,310 you guys ever hear the taped confession 1445 01:01:55,580 --> 01:01:53,010 ee-ha work hunt that his son brought 1446 01:01:57,830 --> 01:01:55,590 forward no a few years ago it was on Ian 1447 01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:57,840 Punnett had him on coast to coast am on 1448 01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:00,240 the weekend mm-hmm and it was a Howard 1449 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:02,520 hunt son came on with a it was kind of a 1450 01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:04,050 deathbed confession because he was very 1451 01:02:09,050 --> 01:02:06,420 ill that said you know several shooters 1452 01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:09,060 and that the you know he that they 1453 01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,920 thought he was a loose cannon Kennedy 1454 01:02:14,570 --> 01:02:12,960 certain factions of the government and 1455 01:02:18,740 --> 01:02:14,580 they plan to do away with them claimed 1456 01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:18,750 claimed that that Johnson knew about it 1457 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:20,550 but didn't plan it man 1458 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:21,810 that was you know he said there was I 1459 01:02:24,980 --> 01:02:23,490 don't know two or three shooters and 1460 01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:24,990 actually it's not a ball though you know 1461 01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:26,910 I used to tune out of the the Kennedy 1462 01:02:31,010 --> 01:02:28,980 stuff because it was so kind of alluded 1463 01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:31,020 and there were so many different claims 1464 01:02:35,570 --> 01:02:33,480 but that actually sounded like it might 1465 01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:35,580 actually be valid see how it had been 1466 01:02:39,740 --> 01:02:37,740 when the Watergate burglars who went to 1467 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:39,750 jail and you know they tried to 1468 01:02:43,790 --> 01:02:41,490 blackmail Nixon and brought Nixon down 1469 01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:43,800 so he's one of he's another guy he's one 1470 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:45,390 these guys had shows up he was down in 1471 01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:46,890 Cuba he was doing this he was doing that 1472 01:02:52,190 --> 01:02:49,980 he wrote like about 20 novels to believe 1473 01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:52,200 it or not in this bedtime work for the 1474 01:02:58,310 --> 01:02:56,460 CIA and they're interesting collection 1475 01:03:00,070 --> 01:02:58,320 of work there yeah this gentleman and 1476 01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:00,080 then during Watergate 1477 01:03:05,570 --> 01:03:03,660 they had given his wife like $50,000 of 1478 01:03:07,550 --> 01:03:05,580 a hush money she was carrying the hush 1479 01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:07,560 money to flour to something of a plane 1480 01:03:10,340 --> 01:03:08,700 crash you get killed 1481 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:10,350 and all the morning just like bromine 1482 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:12,210 disappeared and everyone is like yeah 1483 01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:14,490 you know I mean that's crazy but you 1484 01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:17,220 know did it happened so you can't make 1485 01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,780 that stuff out right yeah that's what I 1486 01:03:24,110 --> 01:03:20,400 mean that's like just so many anyway 1487 01:03:26,180 --> 01:03:24,120 call but just tell us take Emily to look 1488 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:26,190 at the comment section I have sent her a 1489 01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:27,450 collective 1490 01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:30,720 birthday greeting from us Oh so if you 1491 01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:32,040 open up your little comment box you'll 1492 01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:39,270 see that on Sky today do a sweet little 1493 01:03:46,580 --> 01:03:42,480 girl I gotta call your call sign will be 1494 01:03:49,850 --> 01:03:46,590 cupcake from now on yes yesterday was 1495 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:49,860 her birthday so Mac you know I grew up 1496 01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,690 in a household that had a picture of JFK 1497 01:03:57,530 --> 01:03:54,240 and Sinatra pretty much on the same 1498 01:04:01,640 --> 01:03:57,540 level and I thought oh I was and Jesus 1499 01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:01,650 was in the middle yeah yes yes was there 1500 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:03,390 any was there any way other than that 1501 01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:07,650 and was usually the cross the Jesus 1502 01:04:12,620 --> 01:04:09,870 picture and the in the in the bedroom 1503 01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:12,630 was the one when he's in the garden 1504 01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:17,430 before all classic we have the last 1505 01:04:22,610 --> 01:04:18,990 supper in the dining he's kneeling there 1506 01:04:24,170 --> 01:04:22,620 taking a break so to me growing up in 1507 01:04:27,020 --> 01:04:24,180 that kind of the mystique being very 1508 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:27,030 very young you know basically a toddler 1509 01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,610 baby kind of thing you grow up hearing 1510 01:04:34,850 --> 01:04:31,680 about this how incredible this guy is 1511 01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:34,860 was and all the stuff in the Camelot all 1512 01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:37,650 that kind stuff and then like Emily the 1513 01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:39,660 college year they start to get the you 1514 01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:41,040 know some of the veneer starts to come 1515 01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:44,310 off and his freaking brother that was a 1516 01:04:49,700 --> 01:04:46,440 senator from my state was something less 1517 01:04:54,070 --> 01:04:49,710 than exemplary in many areas and it's 1518 01:04:57,590 --> 01:04:54,080 just a very interesting peel back on 1519 01:04:59,660 --> 01:04:57,600 what his presidency was and I have 1520 01:05:02,140 --> 01:04:59,670 always looked at it what was going on 1521 01:05:05,090 --> 01:05:02,150 what was he doing that would make it 1522 01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:05,100 desirable to take him out what what kind 1523 01:05:10,190 --> 01:05:08,160 of changes what kinds of things were he 1524 01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:10,200 throwing in there if you just take a 1525 01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:12,690 cursory look at all the stuff that's 1526 01:05:16,610 --> 01:05:14,160 thrown there and obviously there's a ton 1527 01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:16,620 of disinformation there is no possible 1528 01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:18,720 way that you can point with any kind of 1529 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:21,960 more than 10% and say mr. Oswald did it 1530 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:24,210 I can't say you can come without 1531 01:05:27,860 --> 01:05:26,130 conclusion you look at this and there's 1532 01:05:30,350 --> 01:05:27,870 no cost in my mind is no possible way 1533 01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:30,360 you can say one person was responsible 1534 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:34,920 this right and did right but right so so 1535 01:05:39,290 --> 01:05:36,570 Europe you don't think it misses some 1536 01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:39,300 kind of a conspiracy yes the only theory 1537 01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:41,280 that I know I can rule out tonight 1538 01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:43,530 that he did not commit suicide okay 1539 01:05:49,370 --> 01:05:47,520 right Oswald no that's the only one I 1540 01:05:53,330 --> 01:05:49,380 can tell you that I know for sure was 1541 01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:53,340 not possible okay all right that was one 1542 01:05:57,260 --> 01:05:55,710 of the things when they threw up all the 1543 01:06:00,170 --> 01:05:57,270 conspiracy theories that was one of them 1544 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:00,180 that was thrown in there any minute did 1545 01:06:03,020 --> 01:06:01,650 he set this up and the whole thing and 1546 01:06:04,550 --> 01:06:03,030 to get out of it he was you know shied 1547 01:06:07,460 --> 01:06:04,560 and depressed all this kind of crazy 1548 01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:07,470 stuff I never made any possible sense to 1549 01:06:12,170 --> 01:06:10,710 me anyone hired somebody sue wasn't sad 1550 01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:12,180 depressing is the head in the paper the 1551 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:14,310 other day he was on 15 medications a day 1552 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:17,490 oh you're coding like Coke and parkas 1553 01:06:22,580 --> 01:06:19,530 the percocet was a percocet his codeine 1554 01:06:24,350 --> 01:06:22,590 yeah he was experimenting with LSD yeah 1555 01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:24,360 and you know all these kinds I shoot him 1556 01:06:27,140 --> 01:06:25,710 up with math you had a lot of problems 1557 01:06:29,030 --> 01:06:27,150 you had a lot of medical problems in a 1558 01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,040 big time that they really kind of kept 1559 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:31,200 under the oven just like a lot of people 1560 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:32,730 didn't know FDA was in a wheelchair 1561 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:34,770 until like Franklin very end you know 1562 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:37,050 they did the same thing and he was like 1563 01:06:42,410 --> 01:06:40,010 yeah he would get he need he get those 1564 01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:42,420 b12 shots and quotes that were really 1565 01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:43,770 you know full of him feta means and 1566 01:06:48,290 --> 01:06:45,090 stuff like that he had a dr. feelgood 1567 01:06:49,820 --> 01:06:48,300 it's arm every day so you know I thought 1568 01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:49,830 he was depressed I think he was quite 1569 01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:55,230 happy and sir go ahead Cobb right so you 1570 01:06:58,580 --> 01:06:56,940 look at it and then you look at some of 1571 01:07:00,800 --> 01:06:58,590 the physics the ballistics of the 1572 01:07:02,660 --> 01:07:00,810 shooting and go on in the film evidence 1573 01:07:05,650 --> 01:07:02,670 that's there and then some of the bullet 1574 01:07:10,310 --> 01:07:05,660 travel that other people experienced I 1575 01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:10,320 don't I don't see how you can't come 1576 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:11,640 away from it and go look this there's 1577 01:07:17,170 --> 01:07:14,250 more here now are we ever gonna get the 1578 01:07:19,130 --> 01:07:17,180 answer I say no not in my lifetime 1579 01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:19,140 hopefully in Emily's you think there's 1580 01:07:24,020 --> 01:07:21,900 my entity that's blocking the answer I 1581 01:07:26,330 --> 01:07:24,030 think that there is like in any really 1582 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:26,340 good conspiracy enough people that are 1583 01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,410 connected or have enough out there that 1584 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:30,480 they have so enough additional 1585 01:07:33,860 --> 01:07:31,890 information into it because here's what 1586 01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:33,870 I always wrap up the Kennedy situation 1587 01:07:37,150 --> 01:07:35,670 with we still don't know for sure how 1588 01:07:41,660 --> 01:07:37,160 the whole thing went down with Lincoln 1589 01:07:45,260 --> 01:07:41,670 right okay we do not know all the parts 1590 01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:45,270 and there's lots of things hanging in 1591 01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:47,160 the in the breeze with the Lincoln 1592 01:07:52,130 --> 01:07:50,220 assassination huh and I would think at 1593 01:07:54,590 --> 01:07:52,140 this point it would be pretty easy to 1594 01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:54,600 release that right and have those in 1595 01:07:56,660 --> 01:07:55,200 every 1596 01:07:57,950 --> 01:07:56,670 and we still haven't done are you saying 1597 01:08:02,030 --> 01:07:57,960 that there is still hidden documents 1598 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:02,040 that the government is I still think 1599 01:08:05,150 --> 01:08:03,690 that there's ways that we go looked at 1600 01:08:07,130 --> 01:08:05,160 the Lincoln assassination I think 1601 01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:07,140 there's still evidence out there and it 1602 01:08:13,309 --> 01:08:10,140 has the the story has been said and it 1603 01:08:16,010 --> 01:08:13,319 is buried for no lack of a better term 1604 01:08:17,870 --> 01:08:16,020 Wow look at just what came up with this 1605 01:08:21,050 --> 01:08:17,880 release of the document so much has been 1606 01:08:25,939 --> 01:08:21,060 redacted in this document right what 1607 01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:25,949 happened the last minute the CIA is 1608 01:08:30,260 --> 01:08:28,679 pulling back no hope how if this is 1609 01:08:31,849 --> 01:08:30,270 right up there with right the 1610 01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:31,859 International Space Station astronauts 1611 01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:33,330 hand accidentally was in front of the 1612 01:08:36,620 --> 01:08:35,100 lens let me know there was a report or 1613 01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:36,630 something flowing in the outside how do 1614 01:08:41,780 --> 01:08:39,480 you do that can I throw a company at you 1615 01:08:45,249 --> 01:08:41,790 that kind of explains that okay there's 1616 01:08:49,340 --> 01:08:45,259 been any any you know they they tried to 1617 01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:49,350 delve deep into FBI files and CIA files 1618 01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:50,910 at the time okay 1619 01:08:55,099 --> 01:08:53,940 and some have been released gradually 1620 01:08:56,959 --> 01:08:55,109 but there was just a whole bunch 1621 01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:56,969 released you know a week ago you know 1622 01:09:01,970 --> 01:08:58,620 and as you see a lot of this redacted 1623 01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:01,980 okay so you can't read it how about this 1624 01:09:05,209 --> 01:09:04,290 theory is that they knew and we've 1625 01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:05,219 talked about this on the show before 1626 01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,319 they newly have you guys what was in 1627 01:09:10,579 --> 01:09:08,880 Dallas they knew he had been to Russia 1628 01:09:12,979 --> 01:09:10,589 they knew he was a pain in the neck 1629 01:09:14,450 --> 01:09:12,989 he seems to switch allegiances all the 1630 01:09:15,979 --> 01:09:14,460 time he's fighting for the Cubans then 1631 01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:15,989 he's the Gant iCube and whatever I'm 1632 01:09:22,039 --> 01:09:19,140 right they know he's there he's on their 1633 01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:22,049 watch list but there's like 2,000 people 1634 01:09:26,599 --> 01:09:24,540 on their watch list okay and he was just 1635 01:09:29,209 --> 01:09:26,609 like another one of those row and washes 1636 01:09:31,099 --> 01:09:29,219 or so okay and then he the Schmo does 1637 01:09:33,410 --> 01:09:31,109 something big and they gotta go oh my 1638 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:33,420 god we haven't been watching this guy we 1639 01:09:36,979 --> 01:09:34,890 gotta get rid of all the documentation 1640 01:09:38,780 --> 01:09:36,989 to lose the paper trail it looks like we 1641 01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:38,790 weren't watching him he fought the CIA 1642 01:09:42,050 --> 01:09:40,620 and the FBI so they redacted are they 1643 01:09:44,990 --> 01:09:42,060 threw a lot of stuff away doesn't that 1644 01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:45,000 make as much sense I agree it does 1645 01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:46,380 because obviously we didn't have the 1646 01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:49,410 term lone wolf when every current attack 1647 01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:51,330 that occurs now is a lone wolf 1648 01:09:54,919 --> 01:09:52,980 except that every lone wolf seems to be 1649 01:09:57,580 --> 01:09:54,929 connected to the same religious 1650 01:10:00,530 --> 01:09:57,590 organization or some other you know 1651 01:10:02,300 --> 01:10:00,540 clear trail on the internet that want to 1652 01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:02,310 link it I'm talking about the event 1653 01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:06,120 account no I know they they have their 1654 01:10:09,140 --> 01:10:08,280 problems too there's no doubt what I'm 1655 01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:09,150 getting at is Mecca 1656 01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:11,130 that is a fair theory the problem where 1657 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:12,840 that doesn't hold up for me is the 1658 01:10:16,939 --> 01:10:14,730 ballistics and the physics of the 1659 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:16,949 shooting don't seem to match up to that 1660 01:10:22,370 --> 01:10:19,890 but he may have been part of it I think 1661 01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:22,380 he is the perfect fall guy I think that 1662 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:25,199 he is the poster child for everything 1663 01:10:29,209 --> 01:10:27,330 goes on and I don't mean to mix you know 1664 01:10:31,490 --> 01:10:29,219 any more tragedies into our evening 1665 01:10:32,990 --> 01:10:31,500 tonight but I think that's a very fair 1666 01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,000 to look at what happened in Las Vegas 1667 01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:35,280 and say if you've got kind of an Oswald 1668 01:10:39,740 --> 01:10:37,409 character there there there's a lot of 1669 01:10:42,169 --> 01:10:39,750 stuff that that matches up to this that 1670 01:10:50,410 --> 01:10:42,179 how did one person amass all these 1671 01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:50,420 things what happen what's the best part 1672 01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:54,780 you have Jack Ruby out of nowhere yeah 1673 01:11:01,399 --> 01:10:56,250 we talked about that earlier in the show 1674 01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:01,409 I mean he just checked they've actually 1675 01:11:05,149 --> 01:11:03,449 they've absolutely proved that he just 1676 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:05,159 happened to be there at the time to 1677 01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,290 shoot Oswald that's another thing it was 1678 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:09,420 just because he seems we talked about it 1679 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:11,130 earlier with Paul Bishop he seems to be 1680 01:11:15,260 --> 01:11:13,650 the typical the mafia hit it once again 1681 01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:15,270 you have the stooge do the hit and then 1682 01:11:18,649 --> 01:11:16,710 have someone treat the stooge and it 1683 01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:18,659 follows that script I don't think Jack 1684 01:11:22,010 --> 01:11:21,420 nobody was watching TV he didn't even 1685 01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:22,020 knew about 1686 01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:24,420 he'd loves his this is gonna sound 1687 01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:26,100 really strange but he loved his poodle 1688 01:11:29,660 --> 01:11:27,120 so much 1689 01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:29,670 he left the poodle in the car just went 1690 01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:31,199 down this kind of ramp into the police 1691 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:32,460 station and they happened to bring oz 1692 01:11:36,530 --> 01:11:34,890 without he has a gun ball okay and he 1693 01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:36,540 never saw the poodle again he said he 1694 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:38,190 loved this freakin poodle so much that 1695 01:11:42,020 --> 01:11:40,050 there's no way that if he was going down 1696 01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:42,030 to plan the hit that he would have left 1697 01:11:44,660 --> 01:11:43,350 the portal we wait for Arthur poodle 1698 01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:44,670 with him well maybe that would have been 1699 01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:48,900 an interesting was he in the habit of 1700 01:11:59,810 --> 01:11:52,770 blowing away no perpetrators that was 1701 01:12:02,990 --> 01:11:59,820 being a Jackie okay he loved her and and 1702 01:12:04,340 --> 01:12:03,000 he wanted to prove that you know one of 1703 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:04,350 the things he said he want to prove the 1704 01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:06,330 people from Israel that Israel cannot be 1705 01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,760 pushed around anymore and that's why he 1706 01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,800 did it but once again it seems like on 1707 01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:12,480 one hand it seems like the perfect mob 1708 01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:12,960 hit 1709 01:12:19,070 --> 01:12:15,600 okay he's the guy that said that but on 1710 01:12:20,780 --> 01:12:19,080 the other hand he's he's just the same 1711 01:12:22,340 --> 01:12:20,790 kind of guy as Oswald when the guy who 1712 01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:22,350 shot John Lennon all these 1713 01:12:27,140 --> 01:12:24,840 he's a nobody who wants to be somebody 1714 01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:27,150 and he wants me in the history books and 1715 01:12:30,290 --> 01:12:28,980 they were all successful because they go 1716 01:12:32,060 --> 01:12:30,300 out and they do these outrageous things 1717 01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:32,070 you know yeah so that's what I mean 1718 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:33,600 there's so many there's so much evidence 1719 01:12:37,070 --> 01:12:36,090 on both sides it's it's crazy you know 1720 01:12:39,050 --> 01:12:37,080 it's just crazy 1721 01:12:40,850 --> 01:12:39,060 you can make movies about it forever 1722 01:12:44,050 --> 01:12:40,860 yeah can we agree with this then Mac 1723 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:44,060 there is an upside to not solving this 1724 01:12:50,030 --> 01:12:46,410 you mean for people doing writing books 1725 01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:50,040 and all that kind of if there is 1726 01:12:55,340 --> 01:12:52,110 nefarious activity at the root of this 1727 01:12:58,130 --> 01:12:55,350 and I think there is and it's as old as 1728 01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:58,140 civilization and as old as you know 1729 01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:59,520 people getting together and forming a 1730 01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:00,960 government this this kind of crap has 1731 01:13:05,690 --> 01:13:03,480 gone on forever there was that word that 1732 01:13:07,370 --> 01:13:05,700 that famous guy in England bill 1733 01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:07,380 Shakespeare write didn't he write a 1734 01:13:12,770 --> 01:13:08,460 bunch of stuff where there was 1735 01:13:17,090 --> 01:13:12,780 assassination as the main part with the 1736 01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:17,100 name he's pretty pretty classy guy right 1737 01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:19,110 right I think there's a good reason that 1738 01:13:23,780 --> 01:13:21,150 these things take on the light that they 1739 01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:23,790 do the vehicle that they do because it 1740 01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:25,860 is spectacle and it takes your attention 1741 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:28,110 away from what is really going on right 1742 01:13:30,230 --> 01:13:29,970 well let me just throw this out real 1743 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:30,240 quick 1744 01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:32,730 okay now who's the who's the president 1745 01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:34,140 who got shot up in Buffalo was that 1746 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:37,110 Grover Cleveland who's killing McKinley 1747 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:38,850 okay Kaley I can't leave is that like 1748 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:41,010 the US exposition of something up in 1749 01:13:48,980 --> 01:13:46,010 Buffalo and the guy shot him and he died 1750 01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:48,990 there's no you know there's no there 1751 01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:50,610 wasn't like a second shooter there's no 1752 01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:53,340 huge conspiracy around it you know the 1753 01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:55,080 guy was there he shot him and McKinley 1754 01:13:58,670 --> 01:13:56,880 died you know well maybe they didn't 1755 01:14:00,320 --> 01:13:58,680 have the evidence gathering techniques 1756 01:14:02,990 --> 01:14:00,330 that we have today the ballistic stuff 1757 01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:03,000 and so many of those precedents you 1758 01:14:06,110 --> 01:14:04,050 didn't even have the Secret Service 1759 01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:06,120 right that restarted the Secret Service 1760 01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,890 you just used to lying around which is 1761 01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:10,080 weird right you had people that were 1762 01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,400 able to walk up the front door of the 1763 01:14:19,790 --> 01:14:14,400 White House right through I think it was 1764 01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:19,800 Jackson or the van Buren administration 1765 01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:21,300 before they threw up a fence all right 1766 01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,930 some kind of stop at the door so so you 1767 01:14:29,210 --> 01:14:26,640 just take that you know that the 1768 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:29,220 instance okay and it compared to you 1769 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:30,570 know you can tell the story of McKinley 1770 01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:32,610 getting shot in about 10 pages all right 1771 01:14:37,330 --> 01:14:35,600 and you know right - too many pages 1772 01:14:39,790 --> 01:14:37,340 the Kennedy thing has just like you say 1773 01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:39,800 it's books and movies only because 1774 01:14:43,690 --> 01:14:42,410 there's no because you can't tell you 1775 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:43,700 look at both you look at the evidence 1776 01:14:46,810 --> 01:14:45,050 and think they're almost like split 1777 01:14:48,340 --> 01:14:46,820 right down the middle fifty four fifty 1778 01:14:49,810 --> 01:14:48,350 if you have a good conspiracy you're 1779 01:14:51,250 --> 01:14:49,820 gonna be on TV you're gonna be in the 1780 01:14:52,540 --> 01:14:51,260 magazine but even but this is even 1781 01:14:53,770 --> 01:14:52,550 before I mean this started right after 1782 01:14:55,870 --> 01:14:53,780 you get that's another weird thing about 1783 01:14:57,490 --> 01:14:55,880 it there were rumors that the CIA did it 1784 01:14:59,200 --> 01:14:57,500 like a year later you know I mean this 1785 01:15:00,670 --> 01:14:59,210 isn't something that percolated for them 1786 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:00,680 all right so listen we're in that time 1787 01:15:03,790 --> 01:15:01,850 so we're just gonna go around the 1788 01:15:05,050 --> 01:15:03,800 roundtable and I'm just gonna say just 1789 01:15:08,170 --> 01:15:05,060 tell me do you think it was a conspiracy 1790 01:15:08,890 --> 01:15:08,180 do you think Oswald was the lone gunman 1791 01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:08,900 one one 1792 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:10,610 yeah there's conspiracy and he was 1793 01:15:15,580 --> 01:15:12,410 nothing lone gunman okay all right 1794 01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,590 switch what do you say conspiracy and 1795 01:15:23,020 --> 01:15:17,840 fredchristman was a disinformation agent 1796 01:15:24,940 --> 01:15:23,030 hmm okay yep Emily mm who conspiracy 1797 01:15:28,990 --> 01:15:24,950 okay Kobe you're gonna say conspiracy 1798 01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:29,000 right yeah okay I think here's my wig 1799 01:15:34,060 --> 01:15:30,110 take on the whole thing 1800 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:34,070 I think Oswald was a lone gunman but I 1801 01:15:38,260 --> 01:15:35,930 think someone else was in that Plaza 1802 01:15:40,540 --> 01:15:38,270 that day another assassin and they 1803 01:15:41,890 --> 01:15:40,550 didn't know they didn't know that there 1804 01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,900 were two of them it because that answers 1805 01:15:45,700 --> 01:15:43,280 a lot of questions you know oh yeah 1806 01:15:47,260 --> 01:15:45,710 bleep I think Mac there's a lot of I 1807 01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:47,270 think there's a lot of evidence that 1808 01:15:51,700 --> 01:15:49,280 supports that what you just said and 1809 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:51,710 then the the whole thing about how 1810 01:15:56,140 --> 01:15:54,050 people act the human nature of people 1811 01:15:57,730 --> 01:15:56,150 after can they get shot like and you can 1812 01:15:59,500 --> 01:15:57,740 see this in the Zapruder film everyone 1813 01:16:01,390 --> 01:15:59,510 runs up to the grassy knoll everyone 1814 01:16:03,490 --> 01:16:01,400 even the cops okay there comes a train 1815 01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:03,500 to you know know which way the shots are 1816 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:05,840 coming from you can see dozens of people 1817 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:07,730 running up there why would you do that 1818 01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:09,650 you can't fool that many people you can 1819 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:11,090 talk about the ballistics and all that 1820 01:16:15,670 --> 01:16:13,610 stuff okay but you can't fool people you 1821 01:16:18,130 --> 01:16:15,680 know not that many people I think there 1822 01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:18,140 were two assassins and the plaza that 1823 01:16:21,610 --> 01:16:20,000 day I don't think either one of them 1824 01:16:24,610 --> 01:16:21,620 knew the other was there it's a perfect 1825 01:16:27,490 --> 01:16:24,620 kill place kill zone yeah sure boom boom 1826 01:16:31,450 --> 01:16:27,500 boom boom the most that's my thinking as 1827 01:16:35,290 --> 01:16:31,460 I want to thank you know and Emmy in 1828 01:16:37,930 --> 01:16:35,300 what came up in a name Emily Emily M and 1829 01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:37,940 only M yeah that kinds sounds like real 1830 01:16:47,260 --> 01:16:41,710 cake better cupcakes I like cupcake it 1831 01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:51,940 something ugly anyway and in not that 1832 01:17:00,010 --> 01:16:56,960 funny you know which is the real thank 1833 01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:00,020 you to the dynamic duo there for joining 1834 01:17:03,820 --> 01:17:01,460 us 1835 01:17:06,340 --> 01:17:03,830 tonight's which arena and Emily M our 1836 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:06,350 company okay thank you Emily 1837 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:08,570 how about aka cupcake that sounds 1838 01:17:14,740 --> 01:17:12,410 alright okay I like that thank you very 1839 01:17:18,850 --> 01:17:14,750 much and we will talk to you very very 1840 01:17:21,660 --> 01:17:18,860 soon okay sounds good thanks Tyler 1841 01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:21,670 alright when I'd switch good night Emily 1842 01:17:26,530 --> 01:17:23,840 Wow I'm out of breath 1843 01:17:29,170 --> 01:17:26,540 me too you know which means I'm wiped 1844 01:17:30,460 --> 01:17:29,180 out yeah it's oh yeah two cans of red 1845 01:17:32,590 --> 01:17:30,470 bomb we still have another segment I 1846 01:17:34,450 --> 01:17:32,600 think we have some fresh air 1847 01:17:36,580 --> 01:17:34,460 differentially am i there was some good 1848 01:17:40,090 --> 01:17:36,590 Cobra thanks for joining us your secret 1849 01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:40,100 mission is complete yep the installment 1850 01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:43,520 is complete thank thankful as your home 1851 01:17:51,070 --> 01:17:45,650 base safe okay the installment that 1852 01:17:53,470 --> 01:17:51,080 sounds spy news anyway so why don't we 1853 01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:53,480 take a much-needed break now and we'll 1854 01:18:00,160 --> 01:17:58,010 be back with the three of us Cobra and 1855 01:18:02,860 --> 01:18:00,170 myself and hopefully Rebecca thousand 1856 01:18:04,660 --> 01:18:02,870 who is down in but that I call before 1857 01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:04,670 the cradle of dead presidents did I say 1858 01:18:09,450 --> 01:18:06,290 that you know the graveyard all the 1859 01:18:12,850 --> 01:18:09,460 credit the graveyard of presidents okay 1860 01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:12,860 calling in from Dallas we hope so we'll 1861 01:18:16,570 --> 01:18:14,930 find out after this commercial stay with 1862 01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:16,580 British secret portals 1863 01:18:21,609 --> 01:18:18,530 hello money baby 1864 01:18:24,189 --> 01:18:21,619 hello w70 how's your mission to steal 1865 01:18:26,770 --> 01:18:24,199 the secret sex formula from doctor no no 1866 01:18:29,379 --> 01:18:26,780 more it'll be going fine that ship for 1867 01:18:31,689 --> 01:18:29,389 the two idiots headquarter [\h__\h] with me 1868 01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,699 him at the death Alok rumpus just call 1869 01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:33,679 us idiots yes he did one one he's an 1870 01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:34,820 ungrateful putz 1871 01:18:39,339 --> 01:18:37,489 I know nice car yeah and you know what 1872 01:18:40,629 --> 01:18:39,349 now it's my turn to drive but if you 1873 01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,639 drive what a mighty good 1874 01:18:44,140 --> 01:18:42,800 I'll Drive you shoot the machines no way 1875 01:18:46,810 --> 01:18:44,150 I'm driving through now just different 1876 01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:46,820 license to view and I'm driving Oh see 1877 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:48,050 what I mean Moneypenny 1878 01:18:52,750 --> 01:18:50,570 Oh James we have to get the stolen 1879 01:18:54,819 --> 01:18:52,760 thumbnail doctor no no before the big 1880 01:18:56,859 --> 01:18:54,829 two-for-one sale I'm on it Moneypenny 1881 01:18:59,799 --> 01:18:56,869 but I've got to rid myself of these too 1882 01:19:07,000 --> 01:18:59,809 much mom's first aha I still have the 1883 01:19:14,379 --> 01:19:07,010 red button over save us hello gentlemen 1884 01:19:16,180 --> 01:19:14,389 and you Mr Bond over jumping from a 1885 01:19:19,089 --> 01:19:16,190 helicopter through the sunroof of my 1886 01:19:20,459 --> 01:19:19,099 Aston Martin well played poker what are 1887 01:19:22,750 --> 01:19:20,469 you doing here 1888 01:19:24,250 --> 01:19:22,760 besides rescuing my two friends James 1889 01:19:26,290 --> 01:19:24,260 I'm here to tell you that you don't have 1890 01:19:28,419 --> 01:19:26,300 to steal the card elope sex one mail 1891 01:19:30,490 --> 01:19:28,429 from doctor no no all you have to do is 1892 01:19:31,689 --> 01:19:30,500 go online in order for yourself and 1893 01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:31,699 you'll have plenty of the new energy 1894 01:19:34,810 --> 01:19:33,199 drink they'll give you the extra 1895 01:19:37,959 --> 01:19:34,820 endurance you need to get through your 1896 01:19:42,430 --> 01:19:37,969 daily workout please Cobra 1897 01:19:45,549 --> 01:19:42,440 tell us why it's called well it's called 1898 01:19:47,890 --> 01:19:45,559 sex scx for strength energy accelerator 1899 01:19:51,339 --> 01:19:47,900 and it's easy to use just mix a scoop 1900 01:19:53,140 --> 01:19:51,349 with water shaken not stirred 30 minutes 1901 01:19:54,939 --> 01:19:53,150 before you start your workout and you'll 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for more details about our two-for-one 1917 01:20:45,950 --> 01:20:42,930 sale that's ciear the I ll owe us a.com 1918 01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:45,960 and get some extra sex today hey welcome 1919 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:47,580 back everyone to mak Melones no tracks I 1920 01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:49,290 show here on the distant Thunder radio 1921 01:20:52,939 --> 01:20:51,810 network this is Mak money and that in 1922 01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:52,949 the studio with us tonight on this 1923 01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:54,930 special occasion the very famous one one 1924 01:21:00,260 --> 01:20:58,080 is here this is a special occasion 1925 01:21:03,650 --> 01:21:00,270 this is a special on the JFK 1926 01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:03,660 assassination happened in 1963 yeah this 1927 01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:06,120 week in 1963 so we getting a bunch of 1928 01:21:09,860 --> 01:21:08,310 people together to talk about you know 1929 01:21:11,689 --> 01:21:09,870 what really happened how it affected 1930 01:21:13,490 --> 01:21:11,699 them and things like that we have a 1931 01:21:15,050 --> 01:21:13,500 really good friend of the show on the 1932 01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:15,060 phone right now though he wants to 1933 01:21:19,610 --> 01:21:17,489 contribute he's here every few weeks or 1934 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:19,620 so it's the who else he's our good 1935 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:22,050 friend the ghost of JFK is here how are 1936 01:21:28,670 --> 01:21:23,810 you doing there tonight ghost 1937 01:21:30,380 --> 01:21:28,680 where are the broad very famous Juan 1938 01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:30,390 Juan is here hello I'm having a great 1939 01:21:34,250 --> 01:21:32,850 time tonight except jazzed up are you in 1940 01:21:36,410 --> 01:21:34,260 love with the new studio and that's why 1941 01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:36,420 you've a straight that I'm getting more 1942 01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:38,250 in love with it because it takes a while 1943 01:21:42,740 --> 01:21:40,650 to adopt the surroundings in the RV know 1944 01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:42,750 that I'm well there's a really good 1945 01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:44,489 chance that we saw a ghost yet the weeks 1946 01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:46,770 ago and my I wave to him and he looked 1947 01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:50,100 he looked kind of wnb thief right we 1948 01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:51,510 were on the show we're doing the opening 1949 01:21:55,490 --> 01:21:54,090 and but two hours later you said to me 1950 01:21:56,959 --> 01:21:55,500 did you see the guy walked by when we 1951 01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:56,969 started the opening I said no how would 1952 01:22:01,130 --> 01:21:58,980 I would I miss that it's right here 1953 01:22:02,750 --> 01:22:01,140 right right he wave to you and then I 1954 01:22:04,910 --> 01:22:02,760 thought it was Matt gave him a thumbs up 1955 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:04,920 I write to Pistol Pete and I'm going he 1956 01:22:13,790 --> 01:22:09,570 was mad at the studio it was a heavyset 1957 01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:13,800 guy older than Matt and I think he was a 1958 01:22:18,410 --> 01:22:16,440 sales guy oh really yeah okay I don't 1959 01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:18,420 know but clearly he locked us in because 1960 01:22:25,929 --> 01:22:21,090 he'd locked the lights are out right 1961 01:22:30,699 --> 01:22:29,469 anyway so okay so well there's a chance 1962 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:30,709 we might have seen I'm gonna be done 1963 01:22:34,540 --> 01:22:32,090 some Tom Brady stuff up here in this 1964 01:22:36,669 --> 01:22:34,550 corner it'll be being yeah okay all 1965 01:22:40,689 --> 01:22:36,679 right yeah that's okay evidence is 1966 01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:40,699 evidence anyway on the phone with us not 1967 01:22:46,029 --> 01:22:42,650 here last week did not see the ghost 1968 01:22:47,290 --> 01:22:46,039 give me on the cover he was with us good 1969 01:22:49,689 --> 01:22:47,300 evening gentlemen 1970 01:22:53,169 --> 01:22:49,699 good evening commander okay back from 1971 01:22:56,770 --> 01:22:53,179 his secret mission what did he miss 1972 01:23:01,179 --> 01:22:56,780 he missed someone sending me a plastic 1973 01:23:03,969 --> 01:23:01,189 bag full of cat waste with the note 1974 01:23:06,100 --> 01:23:03,979 here's your binky Mac oh isn't it nice 1975 01:23:08,169 --> 01:23:06,110 that the security is working out so long 1976 01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:08,179 is really good signed by puddles the cat 1977 01:23:14,319 --> 01:23:12,800 as it turns out you know I see one wants 1978 01:23:15,069 --> 01:23:14,329 fingerprints all over this thing but 1979 01:23:18,219 --> 01:23:15,079 that's okay 1980 01:23:20,109 --> 01:23:18,229 I would some right nope no yeah I have 1981 01:23:22,029 --> 01:23:20,119 you on the show last week still waiting 1982 01:23:23,319 --> 01:23:22,039 for the it'd be fun the same cat crap 1983 01:23:25,209 --> 01:23:23,329 through the mail too Mac and you 1984 01:23:29,049 --> 01:23:25,219 basically say that so I'm still waiting 1985 01:23:32,379 --> 01:23:29,059 from to send me the devices oh you know 1986 01:23:35,739 --> 01:23:32,389 this is supposed to be a sniffle yeah 1987 01:23:37,179 --> 01:23:35,749 wait as you put it the toys okay every 1988 01:23:38,770 --> 01:23:37,189 time we get together it's special but we 1989 01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:38,780 don't want to just encourage people 1990 01:23:42,879 --> 01:23:40,489 testing the fingerprints 1991 01:23:47,169 --> 01:23:42,889 you didn't see the memo so ixnay on the 1992 01:23:49,299 --> 01:23:47,179 exploit my friend some reason shakes by 1993 01:23:52,899 --> 01:23:49,309 the mail I'm diggin it but the device is 1994 01:23:56,469 --> 01:23:52,909 there well you know club says he has a 1995 01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,479 box of them yeah okay anyway and you 1996 01:24:02,969 --> 01:23:58,639 stopped the show last week when you said 1997 01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:02,979 any of them have the name of a animal 1998 01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:05,360 what does that hang on I didn't do it 1999 01:24:08,589 --> 01:24:06,320 then but out there wouldn't matter that 2000 01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:08,599 gives the answer what did you have in 2001 01:24:16,750 --> 01:24:13,510 mind I rabbit oh wow look it up yeah you 2002 01:24:26,319 --> 01:24:16,760 reminded me I don't you know it's a very 2003 01:24:30,339 --> 01:24:26,329 popular female boy you know like 2004 01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:30,349 matchbox yes right yeah yeah right a 2005 01:24:35,919 --> 01:24:32,409 wheels 52 shades of Barbie 2006 01:24:37,509 --> 01:24:35,929 anyway Wow there you go there's a 2007 01:24:38,799 --> 01:24:37,519 there's a title but you know it's worth 2008 01:24:39,620 --> 01:24:38,809 a million bucks right did you just make 2009 01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,630 that up 2010 01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,239 Wow 5th what does it begin 52 shades of 2011 01:24:47,570 --> 01:24:44,480 Barbie 2012 01:24:48,350 --> 01:24:47,580 50 shades of epic at 52 because 50 was 2013 01:24:52,820 --> 01:24:48,360 already taken 2014 01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:52,830 no wait what's the movie 50 right 50 and 2015 01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:54,120 then when that book came out we went 2016 01:25:00,740 --> 01:24:56,719 through it the ride beach one day and 2017 01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:00,750 like everyone within a distance know 2018 01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,370 that you could actually read had the 2019 01:25:06,919 --> 01:25:04,320 same freaking book you know that one did 2020 01:25:09,290 --> 01:25:06,929 oh I know everyone read that book and 2021 01:25:11,149 --> 01:25:09,300 that woman just became so freakin rich 2022 01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:11,159 it was it it was a submission to a book 2023 01:25:15,530 --> 01:25:13,130 club in some little town in Australia 2024 01:25:18,260 --> 01:25:15,540 that's how it's not it's amazing yeah 2025 01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:18,270 and then Bob um what was good for her 2026 01:25:21,649 --> 01:25:19,199 anyway 2027 01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:21,659 it's the woes of a writer and the 2028 01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,570 fellowship of the miserable Cobra you 2029 01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:27,360 should write a book someday Thank You 2030 01:25:31,459 --> 01:25:29,250 Mac coming through net is a very nice 2031 01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:31,469 compliment and encouragement right okay 2032 01:25:36,110 --> 01:25:35,340 also on the line with us is talk about 2033 01:25:37,970 --> 01:25:36,120 somebody should write a book 2034 01:25:40,729 --> 01:25:37,980 yeah right you like it a good friend 2035 01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,739 here from across the puddle Raja is 2036 01:25:44,990 --> 01:25:42,239 joining us how you doing tonight there 2037 01:25:48,350 --> 01:25:45,000 Russ I'm doing fine thank you Mike 2038 01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,360 Frank very glad to be with you again and 2039 01:25:54,140 --> 01:25:50,719 with the commander and one one of course 2040 01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:54,150 okay I was very much Russ it was a 2041 01:25:58,820 --> 01:25:57,360 surprise visit I know tonight oh well 2042 01:26:01,340 --> 01:25:58,830 it's never surprised when we get 2043 01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:01,350 together I was on the Cobra show the 2044 01:26:07,070 --> 01:26:03,840 other night one one two hours he grilled 2045 01:26:09,530 --> 01:26:07,080 me on everything he can grow yeah Ross 2046 01:26:10,970 --> 01:26:09,540 have you been on this issue have you 2047 01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:10,980 been on come into the show 2048 01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:15,330 oh yes the Massey report yeah we do it 2049 01:26:20,899 --> 01:26:17,940 together oh that's right it's sort of a 2050 01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:20,909 regular irregular feature that is 2051 01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,310 growing in popularity I think okay I 2052 01:26:27,649 --> 01:26:25,440 listen so frequently that all of it gets 2053 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:27,659 mixed up and I wasn't sure okay but I 2054 01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:29,570 think it's an interesting show they come 2055 01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:32,850 go for zippy well he's every bosses the 2056 01:26:38,090 --> 01:26:36,210 reason that having Ross is so special is 2057 01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:38,100 you know his organization the people's 2058 01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,080 mosquito project rebuilding from scratch 2059 01:26:44,570 --> 01:26:42,719 you got started Mac we we started on 2060 01:26:46,939 --> 01:26:44,580 your show and a number of listeners 2061 01:26:50,169 --> 01:26:46,949 joined and then we've had a number of 2062 01:26:52,189 --> 01:26:50,179 people that have joined from my other 2063 01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:52,199 enterprise do they do at the other than 2064 01:26:55,070 --> 01:26:53,460 the other stations so 2065 01:26:57,709 --> 01:26:55,080 it to really help that program move 2066 01:27:00,170 --> 01:26:57,719 along and Ross's appreciation has always 2067 01:27:03,410 --> 01:27:00,180 been very strong to always try to help 2068 01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:03,420 us so right yet the Christmas cards are 2069 01:27:08,150 --> 01:27:05,310 out now and the special limited edition 2070 01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:08,160 2013 calendar says he's getting a 2071 01:27:14,750 --> 01:27:13,320 plug-in mosquito calm right people's 2072 01:27:22,700 --> 01:27:14,760 mosquito calm that's correct 2073 01:27:25,010 --> 01:27:22,710 oh no org org no the mosquito was this 2074 01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:25,020 airplane in World War two made of 2075 01:27:28,729 --> 01:27:27,060 plywood basically and they don't think 2076 01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:28,739 this as an insult Roz but only the 2077 01:27:32,810 --> 01:27:30,000 British would do something like this 2078 01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:32,820 okay they made that claims the wall man 2079 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:35,850 yeah and and made it a plywood and it 2080 01:27:39,260 --> 01:27:37,410 turns out to be like the fastest plane 2081 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:39,270 in the entire war some of them they 2082 01:27:42,350 --> 01:27:40,890 didn't even gun give guns to because 2083 01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:42,360 they said well I'll run anything you 2084 01:27:45,950 --> 01:27:44,130 know don't even waste time with guns and 2085 01:27:47,900 --> 01:27:45,960 ammunition and stuff I mean it's just a 2086 01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,910 great airplane little bit plain two-seat 2087 01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:50,000 it's a little bit bigger than that to 2088 01:27:55,250 --> 01:27:53,130 you know two engines to just an attack 2089 01:27:57,740 --> 01:27:55,260 airplane type thing but it did so many 2090 01:28:00,850 --> 01:27:57,750 things but they did have guns on some of 2091 01:28:03,290 --> 01:28:00,860 those lighters yeah yes oh yeah I mean 2092 01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:03,300 you know had a light comes on but some 2093 01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:04,770 of the Recon ones they didn't want to 2094 01:28:10,340 --> 01:28:07,050 weigh them down they right okay anyway 2095 01:28:11,660 --> 01:28:10,350 great airplane and Ross and his buddies 2096 01:28:12,350 --> 01:28:11,670 are bringing the packed on like this 2097 01:28:16,459 --> 01:28:12,360 excellent 2098 01:28:18,979 --> 01:28:16,469 so anyway listen Ross now yeah November 2099 01:28:20,810 --> 01:28:18,989 22nd 1963 we were talking earlier you 2100 01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:20,820 know where we were wouldn't happened and 2101 01:28:24,110 --> 01:28:22,230 stuff like that now you were over in 2102 01:28:25,940 --> 01:28:24,120 Britain can you give us like you know 2103 01:28:28,270 --> 01:28:25,950 the the the British point of view what 2104 01:28:33,140 --> 01:28:28,280 happened that day and how you found out 2105 01:28:37,100 --> 01:28:33,150 well quite simply our household a sharp 2106 01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:37,110 household was a very much Anna marital 2107 01:28:46,220 --> 01:28:41,489 household and it all came out about 2108 01:28:48,940 --> 01:28:46,230 because of the war my parents my brother 2109 01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:48,950 had been born in June 1939 2110 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:51,360 we always joke they had to be a reason 2111 01:28:59,300 --> 01:28:54,570 for the war and that was it 2112 01:29:04,400 --> 01:28:59,310 but they were a young couple and they 2113 01:29:04,820 --> 01:29:04,410 were sort of sponsored by an older 2114 01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:04,830 couple 2115 01:29:12,660 --> 01:29:10,410 South Dakota through the church and 2116 01:29:16,290 --> 01:29:12,670 right the way through the bad days of 2117 01:29:17,730 --> 01:29:16,300 the Blitz and right the way through to 2118 01:29:20,700 --> 01:29:17,740 the end of the war they used to receive 2119 01:29:24,900 --> 01:29:20,710 care packages clothing for the baby my 2120 01:29:27,090 --> 01:29:24,910 brother and clothing as well as clothing 2121 01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:27,100 used to get the odd tin of ham and it 2122 01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:29,170 really really helped them so it was 2123 01:29:37,860 --> 01:29:32,560 quite natural when I came around after 2124 01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:37,870 the war I took the name of the gentleman 2125 01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:43,330 concerned I was named Ross and they 2126 01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:46,000 stood as proxy godparents in a service 2127 01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:48,880 in North South Dakota at the same time 2128 01:29:59,120 --> 01:29:54,970 as I was being baptized in the UK so not 2129 01:30:02,430 --> 01:29:59,130 too many people tell that and so that's 2130 01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:02,440 Ross but that's good yeah it's so so 2131 01:30:07,740 --> 01:30:05,470 that's why we're very much a Mary and I 2132 01:30:09,870 --> 01:30:07,750 can orient and I have American they're 2133 01:30:14,970 --> 01:30:09,880 both sadly gone now I have American 2134 01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:14,980 godparents so I was about 14 at the time 2135 01:30:20,970 --> 01:30:17,170 I remember and I said to pop I'm going 2136 01:30:24,270 --> 01:30:20,980 upstairs and I got muddy I think I said 2137 01:30:26,190 --> 01:30:24,280 I'm gonna go and have a bath so I've not 2138 01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:26,200 been long I think I got out of the bath 2139 01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:28,090 when I was telling myself down and he 2140 01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:30,040 called up to me up the stairs we lived 2141 01:30:38,970 --> 01:30:33,550 in a three-bedroom house built in was in 2142 01:30:41,340 --> 01:30:38,980 a 1923 it's a big big boathouse and he 2143 01:30:44,190 --> 01:30:41,350 called to me said you've got to come 2144 01:30:45,330 --> 01:30:44,200 down why he said the I remember II was 2145 01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:45,340 standing at the bottom of stairs that 2146 01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:48,930 President Kennedy's being assassinated I 2147 01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:53,040 just didn't believe it it was just 2148 01:30:59,400 --> 01:30:57,610 that's can't be true how long did so 2149 01:31:07,080 --> 01:30:59,410 yeah Ross for it to really sink in that 2150 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:07,090 this was actually happening in that yeah 2151 01:31:15,300 --> 01:31:12,010 we we had a small Irish television 2152 01:31:18,879 --> 01:31:15,310 believe but not a Murphy black-and-white 2153 01:31:20,770 --> 01:31:18,889 and we were clustered around that 2154 01:31:23,709 --> 01:31:20,780 and you know obviously the reports were 2155 01:31:28,660 --> 01:31:23,719 coming in from reporters and at the 2156 01:31:30,780 --> 01:31:28,670 hospital and it was just mayhem and it 2157 01:31:33,910 --> 01:31:30,790 took a long while for it to actually 2158 01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:33,920 sink in we know now of course that the 2159 01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:36,080 president was officially classified as 2160 01:31:41,669 --> 01:31:37,730 moribund when he arrived at the hospital 2161 01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:41,679 so there was no chance but yes it did 2162 01:31:47,979 --> 01:31:44,480 take a while for it to sink in and they 2163 01:31:50,979 --> 01:31:47,989 were just numbness after there it was 2164 01:31:54,669 --> 01:31:50,989 like the light going out did they have 2165 01:31:56,050 --> 01:31:54,679 the wall-to-wall well oh well yes as far 2166 01:31:58,209 --> 01:31:56,060 as you could do of course you have to 2167 01:32:01,959 --> 01:31:58,219 understand in those days they were only 2168 01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:01,969 let's get this right two three four 2169 01:32:05,530 --> 01:32:04,250 television stations on a national basis 2170 01:32:07,689 --> 01:32:05,540 in the UK yep 2171 01:32:10,209 --> 01:32:07,699 that's all I think there was about three 2172 01:32:13,330 --> 01:32:10,219 or four maybe in in the u.s. too 2173 01:32:16,890 --> 01:32:13,340 yeah so that was it it was literally 2174 01:32:18,970 --> 01:32:16,900 walk to walk busily Walter there's 2175 01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:18,980 locally believes they're not where I was 2176 01:32:32,919 --> 01:32:24,400 living there is a local John F Kennedy 2177 01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:32,929 connection so uh-huh yes again itting 2178 01:32:45,700 --> 01:32:40,250 Lee the one of the Candy Girls actually 2179 01:32:50,830 --> 01:32:45,710 married the son of the Duke of 2180 01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:50,840 Devonshire Kathleen Kennedy and she 2181 01:32:59,379 --> 01:32:54,170 became the Marchioness of Hartington 2182 01:33:02,379 --> 01:32:59,389 which is a curtal yeah what was that 2183 01:33:06,850 --> 01:33:02,389 name again was a telegin the what the 2184 01:33:08,669 --> 01:33:06,860 Marchioness of Washington it's a female 2185 01:33:10,899 --> 01:33:08,679 coming to the Marquess of Hartington 2186 01:33:14,740 --> 01:33:10,909 well I should explain that British 2187 01:33:16,990 --> 01:33:14,750 aristocracy the higher you go if you 2188 01:33:19,620 --> 01:33:17,000 just sir or lady that's all you I you're 2189 01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:19,630 a knight you know or his wife is a lady 2190 01:33:24,359 --> 01:33:22,250 the higher up you go you also get 2191 01:33:28,899 --> 01:33:24,369 courtesy titles of a lesser rank 2192 01:33:30,669 --> 01:33:28,909 attached to your main title that so as 2193 01:33:32,530 --> 01:33:30,679 your children are growing up and 2194 01:33:35,500 --> 01:33:32,540 obviously there 2195 01:33:39,330 --> 01:33:35,510 is still alive they can have a lesser 2196 01:33:42,220 --> 01:33:39,340 title that they can be addressed at by 2197 01:33:46,750 --> 01:33:42,230 it's called a courtesy title system the 2198 01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:46,760 queen has lots and they leave also the 2199 01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:51,490 do conducive of corn of Cambridge when 2200 01:33:59,230 --> 01:33:54,530 they're in Northern Ireland their Lord 2201 01:34:01,500 --> 01:33:59,240 and Lady Strathearn yeah it's it's it's 2202 01:34:06,220 --> 01:34:01,510 weird I know but but that's that's life 2203 01:34:09,180 --> 01:34:06,230 okay a member of the aristocracy now the 2204 01:34:14,410 --> 01:34:09,190 thing is that she would of course have 2205 01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:14,420 become that the Duchess of Devonshire 2206 01:34:19,870 --> 01:34:16,250 believe it or not Devonshire's as the 2207 01:34:22,420 --> 01:34:19,880 title refers to Derbyshire because in 2208 01:34:26,950 --> 01:34:22,430 the Middle Ages a clerk who was actually 2209 01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:26,960 writing this out made a mistake no the 2210 01:34:30,220 --> 01:34:28,880 person who is being created deep thought 2211 01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:30,230 okay well I'll go with whatever you want 2212 01:34:38,410 --> 01:34:33,370 to call me basically 2213 01:34:41,110 --> 01:34:38,420 anyway the her husband the Duke of 2214 01:34:44,740 --> 01:34:41,120 Devonshire's son was a tank commander 2215 01:34:53,260 --> 01:34:44,750 and a very distinguished one but he was 2216 01:34:56,590 --> 01:34:53,270 killed in action in Normandy so that 2217 01:35:01,120 --> 01:34:56,600 left her a widow and unfortunately when 2218 01:35:04,060 --> 01:35:01,130 she died in an air crash post war she 2219 01:35:07,540 --> 01:35:04,070 was actually buried in st. Peter's 2220 01:35:10,420 --> 01:35:07,550 Church yard and the little Church in the 2221 01:35:15,130 --> 01:35:10,430 village of Eden saw which is on the Duke 2222 01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:15,140 of estate in Derbyshire so much so that 2223 01:35:22,150 --> 01:35:18,650 when JFK came on official visit to 2224 01:35:24,250 --> 01:35:22,160 England he actually made a side trip a 2225 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:24,260 private side trip to visit his sister's 2226 01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:28,490 grave in Derbyshire huh well and a large 2227 01:35:34,060 --> 01:35:31,730 in in Derby about a mile and a half one 2228 01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:34,070 where I was living was renamed the John 2229 01:35:40,090 --> 01:35:38,210 F Kennedy so yeah there was a big local 2230 01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:40,100 angle to this story can I just ask a 2231 01:35:44,740 --> 01:35:42,890 question and then his father who you 2232 01:35:46,750 --> 01:35:44,750 don't really hear too much about Joseph 2233 01:35:49,300 --> 01:35:46,760 Kennedy was the ambassador of the US 2234 01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:49,310 ambassador to the UK and not well-liked 2235 01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:51,050 and not well-liked he's like you know 2236 01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:52,400 really didn't have him which appears to 2237 01:35:56,620 --> 01:35:55,010 be mutual England very much know right 2238 01:35:59,740 --> 01:35:56,630 yeah there was no woman fuzzy was with 2239 01:36:01,930 --> 01:35:59,750 him and he went back the Roosevelt him 2240 01:36:07,570 --> 01:36:01,940 said basically yeah the Germans take it 2241 01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:07,580 over you know everybody out because 2242 01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:10,850 these guys are gonna lose didn't exactly 2243 01:36:14,980 --> 01:36:13,040 endear him to the British government 2244 01:36:18,970 --> 01:36:14,990 normally when you're an ambassador of a 2245 01:36:21,010 --> 01:36:18,980 neutral country as he then was you 2246 01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:21,020 maintain neutrality you're not supposed 2247 01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:26,570 to take sides in any conflict right by 2248 01:36:33,370 --> 01:36:30,650 the way as one Kennedy is a reflection 2249 01:36:36,820 --> 01:36:33,380 of Kennedy the ambassador the air 2250 01:36:39,190 --> 01:36:36,830 attache rich at the time the American 2251 01:36:43,090 --> 01:36:39,200 air attache was flying around England in 2252 01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:43,100 a beech Staggerwing right with a bright 2253 01:36:48,850 --> 01:36:46,210 blue fuselage and bright yellow wings 2254 01:36:51,940 --> 01:36:48,860 that so the Luftwaffe wouldn't shoot him 2255 01:36:53,170 --> 01:36:51,950 down and carrying an embassy seal on it 2256 01:36:56,530 --> 01:36:53,180 well I'm talking about a beautiful 2257 01:36:59,170 --> 01:36:56,540 wooden airplane oh you know anyway so 2258 01:37:02,320 --> 01:36:59,180 that yes the the the assassination was a 2259 01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:02,330 great shock locally because the one 2260 01:37:06,220 --> 01:37:03,770 place in the British Isles you could 2261 01:37:08,170 --> 01:37:06,230 have chosen to have a big candy 2262 01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:08,180 connection that was right where we were 2263 01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:10,730 right yeah yeah and over the island of 2264 01:37:15,460 --> 01:37:12,170 course like we were talking earlier oh 2265 01:37:17,140 --> 01:37:15,470 yeah you know I mean growing up you know 2266 01:37:18,610 --> 01:37:17,150 in our house who was a picture of 2267 01:37:20,440 --> 01:37:18,620 Kennedy you know it's some kind of 2268 01:37:27,220 --> 01:37:20,450 saying whatever thanks to a picture of 2269 01:37:29,230 --> 01:37:27,230 the Pope sure yes changeable yeah so but 2270 01:37:30,430 --> 01:37:29,240 you know I mean we've talked about 2271 01:37:33,610 --> 01:37:30,440 tonight you know whether it was a 2272 01:37:35,140 --> 01:37:33,620 conspiracy or whatever you know but let 2273 01:37:37,450 --> 01:37:35,150 me ask you a different question suppose 2274 01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:37,460 that Kennedy had lived okay let's say he 2275 01:37:41,230 --> 01:37:40,010 lived let's say he wasn't shot at all he 2276 01:37:53,110 --> 01:37:41,240 would I think he would have run 2277 01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:53,120 reelection in 64 I think so yeah so so 2278 01:37:57,250 --> 01:37:54,890 then he has to be you know his retire at 2279 01:37:58,840 --> 01:37:57,260 the end of 68 okay and that's the head 2280 01:38:00,910 --> 01:37:58,850 that's when the Vietnam War just like 2281 01:38:02,830 --> 01:38:00,920 goes insane right would that have 2282 01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:02,840 happened you know I would if he would it 2283 01:38:07,870 --> 01:38:06,110 would have it dawned on him it's likely 2284 01:38:09,550 --> 01:38:07,880 that Bobby would have run or something 2285 01:38:11,260 --> 01:38:09,560 yeah exactly so you have this diamond 2286 01:38:13,540 --> 01:38:11,270 yes but I don't think they would have 2287 01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:13,550 they were not Saints by any stretch of 2288 01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:15,050 the imagination but I think they were 2289 01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:17,210 smart enough not to get embroiled in 2290 01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:19,730 what happened that Vietnam right I think 2291 01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:21,920 so yeah I'll give you a couple other 2292 01:38:26,290 --> 01:38:23,570 things if I don't think we would have 2293 01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:26,300 been to the moon in 69 if he landed no 2294 01:38:30,850 --> 01:38:28,880 no yeah he had a lot of public relations 2295 01:38:33,310 --> 01:38:30,860 behind him which is really like the 2296 01:38:35,860 --> 01:38:33,320 first president to really kind of if you 2297 01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:35,870 ever listen to tapes when he's talking 2298 01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:38,810 about that getting a man on the moon in 2299 01:38:42,820 --> 01:38:41,210 ten years right he was not the least bit 2300 01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:42,830 committed to that that was just a sound 2301 01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:44,570 bike that he was presenting in a speech 2302 01:38:50,140 --> 01:38:47,090 and on his assassination it became a 2303 01:38:52,690 --> 01:38:50,150 battle cry right you know to kind of 2304 01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:52,700 take all this emotional energy and 2305 01:38:58,380 --> 01:38:56,690 harness it yeah yes yes I think he was a 2306 01:39:01,270 --> 01:38:58,390 very much 2307 01:39:02,860 --> 01:39:01,280 he was wildly popular not just in 2308 01:39:07,810 --> 01:39:02,870 Ireland and England of course with the 2309 01:39:12,580 --> 01:39:07,820 rest of Europe and he made that speech 2310 01:39:15,850 --> 01:39:12,590 in he pop speech in berming and in 2311 01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:15,860 Berlin right the only thing is they did 2312 01:39:19,480 --> 01:39:18,050 commit a slight linguistic error 2313 01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,490 oh come on you're not gonna bring up the 2314 01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:21,440 doughnut are you yeah nobody I wanna 2315 01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:24,410 know yeah yeah I am A Berliner and he 2316 01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:33,290 said I was a pastry is there any sure 2317 01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:34,970 yeah is there any truth in it because it 2318 01:39:37,900 --> 01:39:36,410 seems like he'd have people who would 2319 01:39:46,450 --> 01:39:37,910 look into something like that before you 2320 01:39:52,090 --> 01:39:46,460 said it yes or no all right excellent 2321 01:39:56,530 --> 01:39:52,100 yeah I am a doughnut so Grubin worse 2322 01:40:06,280 --> 01:39:56,540 could've been worse what just mouthed 2323 01:40:07,950 --> 01:40:06,290 something to me that was were you also 2324 01:40:10,770 --> 01:40:07,960 talked about that earlier in the show 2325 01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:10,780 as it turns out that from my point of 2326 01:40:13,500 --> 01:40:12,010 view would happen here and we're all 2327 01:40:16,650 --> 01:40:13,510 like kind of in grade school when this 2328 01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:16,660 happened and I was in a Catholic school 2329 01:40:21,450 --> 01:40:19,810 were you in a Catholic school no no no 2330 01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:21,460 it Cobra were you in a Catholic school 2331 01:40:28,110 --> 01:40:24,489 alright we one and a half no I was not 2332 01:40:29,970 --> 01:40:28,120 in school anyway you know with the 2333 01:40:31,979 --> 01:40:29,980 Catholic school they've added the drama 2334 01:40:34,530 --> 01:40:31,989 of the whole you know thing you know so 2335 01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,540 it just weighed on everyone's minds you 2336 01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:36,400 could tell you could tell me and then as 2337 01:40:40,170 --> 01:40:38,290 we said a little while ago a month late 2338 01:40:42,420 --> 01:40:40,180 a mum the Beatles all of a sudden show 2339 01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:42,430 up and everyone just goes and save the 2340 01:40:45,630 --> 01:40:44,290 day it saved the day do you see that 2341 01:40:47,070 --> 01:40:45,640 from you up one of you rust you know 2342 01:40:54,630 --> 01:40:47,080 what I mean 2343 01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:54,640 it was insane my brother-in-law late 2344 01:40:59,550 --> 01:40:56,410 brother-in-law unfortunately we lost him 2345 01:41:01,620 --> 01:40:59,560 about five years ago he and that's a 2346 01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:01,630 whole other story he slipped and fell 2347 01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:04,060 off a mountain in Switzerland Wow 2348 01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:06,610 yeah I know yeah bad news that was then 2349 01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:10,330 the not only that but the Swiss actually 2350 01:41:14,190 --> 01:41:12,730 lost his original birth certificate and 2351 01:41:16,700 --> 01:41:14,200 marriage certificate because they 2352 01:41:20,820 --> 01:41:16,710 demanded the originals not copies and 2353 01:41:23,340 --> 01:41:20,830 his body was stuck in in customs in 2354 01:41:27,540 --> 01:41:23,350 Geneva for more than two weeks but 2355 01:41:30,570 --> 01:41:27,550 that's a whole other story the Beatles 2356 01:41:32,580 --> 01:41:30,580 they he was from bold in gesture which 2357 01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:32,590 is about 20 miles out of Liverpool and 2358 01:41:38,250 --> 01:41:36,130 he can do a very very passable Paul 2359 01:41:40,380 --> 01:41:38,260 McCartney impersonation Wow 2360 01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:40,390 except he was right-handed as opposed to 2361 01:41:46,979 --> 01:41:44,890 being left okay the the whole phenomena 2362 01:41:51,690 --> 01:41:46,989 is one one touched on about they'd been 2363 01:41:59,880 --> 01:41:51,700 to to Hamburg they regrettably dumped 2364 01:42:02,580 --> 01:41:59,890 Pete best and someone said there's a 2365 01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:02,590 great great joke and one of the best 2366 01:42:08,850 --> 01:42:05,530 British comedy film series of all time 2367 01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:08,860 Red Dwarf when the narrator who is from 2368 01:42:13,709 --> 01:42:11,650 Liverpool was playing playing a talking 2369 01:42:16,890 --> 01:42:13,719 computer said yes we could be in an 2370 01:42:19,290 --> 01:42:16,900 alternate universe somewhere like where 2371 01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:19,300 Hitler had won the second war world 2372 01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:21,970 or where drink Ringo was a really good 2373 01:42:30,450 --> 01:42:28,330 drummer right okay time out we have to 2374 01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:30,460 say this in defense Ringo is one of the 2375 01:42:34,650 --> 01:42:32,530 best drummers in rock and roll one one 2376 01:42:37,650 --> 01:42:34,660 correct I agree yeah he is it and people 2377 01:42:40,590 --> 01:42:37,660 don't understand what really reads out 2378 01:42:42,630 --> 01:42:40,600 in England on that woman but no all they 2379 01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:42,640 have to do is listen to you when YouTube 2380 01:42:48,060 --> 01:42:45,760 first of all I read the Beatles 2381 01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:48,070 recording book Studio book and it's 2382 01:42:51,780 --> 01:42:50,080 every single day a diary of what they 2383 01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:51,790 did and they who played one on that 2384 01:42:56,220 --> 01:42:53,650 surface they used incredible right with 2385 01:42:56,910 --> 01:42:56,230 their for snacks and it would say how 2386 01:42:59,310 --> 01:42:56,920 many takes 2387 01:43:02,880 --> 01:42:59,320 okay of a certain song whatever and why 2388 01:43:04,590 --> 01:43:02,890 they stopped to take in 178 songs they 2389 01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:04,600 recorded I think it's the number all 2390 01:43:10,440 --> 01:43:06,610 right they stopped the tape for Ringo 2391 01:43:12,660 --> 01:43:10,450 twice hi in Korea for the others it was 2392 01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:12,670 in like in the hundreds you know Jonah 2393 01:43:17,010 --> 01:43:14,530 falls off his chair is almost chewing 2394 01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:17,020 gum with her and he was it never stopped 2395 01:43:21,060 --> 01:43:18,850 the tape while he was playing I'm not 2396 01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:21,070 saying he couldn't carry a mate no no 2397 01:43:25,260 --> 01:43:22,810 nice he's amazing he just go on YouTube 2398 01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:25,270 and wasn't to Ringo Starr isolated drums 2399 01:43:28,770 --> 01:43:27,280 for certain songs and stuff where the 2400 01:43:31,140 --> 01:43:28,780 drums were really brought up incredible 2401 01:43:33,870 --> 01:43:31,150 he's an incredible drummer and that's 2402 01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:33,880 all there is to it and ask any musician 2403 01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:35,650 and he'll tell you you know he's an 2404 01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:40,570 incredible North today proof right well 2405 01:43:46,860 --> 01:43:43,510 there's still as I said that line was 2406 01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:46,870 broadcast on BBC television it's on the 2407 01:44:00,180 --> 01:43:56,050 right I'll send you the clip money I 2408 01:44:02,100 --> 01:44:00,190 guess my Ringo always came back well six 2409 01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:02,110 degrees of freaking activity you know 2410 01:44:07,980 --> 01:44:04,960 the ocean bacon in six weeks when he 2411 01:44:10,620 --> 01:44:07,990 says he's worth like 350 million dollars 2412 01:44:13,380 --> 01:44:10,630 right so you know he had a bag doing 2413 01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:13,390 something right yeah anyway so so but do 2414 01:44:18,030 --> 01:44:15,250 you don't I mean how like sometimes they 2415 01:44:19,710 --> 01:44:18,040 can be like a bad distraction you know 2416 01:44:21,210 --> 01:44:19,720 what can he get shot and it was really 2417 01:44:24,180 --> 01:44:21,220 in this mourning period man I remember 2418 01:44:25,740 --> 01:44:24,190 it like crazy you know and then the next 2419 01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:25,750 thing I know like all of a sudden the 2420 01:44:29,100 --> 01:44:27,520 Beatles who what you know what are they 2421 01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:29,110 and and it was kind of like him in 2422 01:44:33,169 --> 01:44:32,170 amazing you don't understand there are 2423 01:44:35,959 --> 01:44:33,179 two schools of 2424 01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:35,969 at this moment in time you have the 2425 01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:39,440 Beatles and you have Liverpool sound 2426 01:44:43,700 --> 01:44:43,050 Gerry and the Pacemakers yeah and so on 2427 01:44:47,209 --> 01:44:43,710 so forth 2428 01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:47,219 flooding south from the Mersey and sort 2429 01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:50,370 of a bulwark of London you've got stones 2430 01:44:58,990 --> 01:44:54,060 fence yeah exactly the same Toyo yeah 2431 01:45:01,610 --> 01:44:59,000 now the Beatles are playing obviously 2432 01:45:05,149 --> 01:45:01,620 everything from Jerry Lee Lewis and so 2433 01:45:07,970 --> 01:45:05,159 on so forth the stones were playing 2434 01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:07,980 rhythm and blues tracks from America 2435 01:45:15,620 --> 01:45:12,650 much harder harsher sound and in the UK 2436 01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:15,630 you fell into one or two camps 2437 01:45:19,820 --> 01:45:17,730 you're either a Stones fan or you're a 2438 01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:19,830 Beatles fan you know and there was 2439 01:45:25,459 --> 01:45:22,080 almost like hatred between the two bands 2440 01:45:29,630 --> 01:45:25,469 goodness yes unbelievable but both of 2441 01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:29,640 them bands many of their members came 2442 01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:32,370 from having studied colleges of art 2443 01:45:36,860 --> 01:45:34,650 right yeah 2444 01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:36,870 and they felt like they're out of place 2445 01:45:41,390 --> 01:45:39,810 in those colleges of art and just when 2446 01:45:43,850 --> 01:45:41,400 you read about how the guys met 2447 01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:43,860 individually and collectively got 2448 01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:47,130 together let's form a bond you know it's 2449 01:45:59,180 --> 01:45:54,570 like they do actually take the official 2450 01:46:02,630 --> 01:45:59,190 bus tour to various places you know down 2451 01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:02,640 penny lane go and see the various houses 2452 01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:09,890 etc so they took that buster unconfirmed 2453 01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:13,530 he did as I said he escaped up to to 2454 01:46:18,590 --> 01:46:17,010 Derbyshire his he did things that his 2455 01:46:28,189 --> 01:46:18,600 handlers too weren't necessarily pleased 2456 01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:28,199 with Jackie yes listen though about 2457 01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:30,570 England itself now a lot of people when 2458 01:46:35,090 --> 01:46:33,810 the Beatles first came out and they went 2459 01:46:36,410 --> 01:46:35,100 to London and really started getting 2460 01:46:38,060 --> 01:46:36,420 popular lot of people didn't like them 2461 01:46:39,290 --> 01:46:38,070 because they were from the north now is 2462 01:46:41,540 --> 01:46:39,300 that kind of like you know some people 2463 01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:41,550 in all of this country is they look down 2464 01:46:43,700 --> 01:46:43,050 on people from the south is that the 2465 01:46:46,220 --> 01:46:43,710 yeah 2466 01:46:48,380 --> 01:46:46,230 oh boy you've opened up a huge can of 2467 01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:48,390 worms there Mac okay six minutes North 2468 01:46:55,220 --> 01:46:51,930 versus south argument been going on for 2469 01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:55,230 the last thousand years and I mean that 2470 01:47:02,650 --> 01:46:58,800 the last thousand years when when the 2471 01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:02,660 Conqueror invaded from Normandy in 1066 2472 01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:05,610 they army be another bill by the way 2473 01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:07,110 just wanna throw that in there 2474 01:47:13,610 --> 01:47:10,890 yeah yeah they are the army the normal 2475 01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:13,620 army swept up north from the battle they 2476 01:47:17,090 --> 01:47:15,170 won the Battle of San lakh Hill 2477 01:47:19,340 --> 01:47:17,100 technically it's called that just 2478 01:47:21,260 --> 01:47:19,350 outside of Hastings and they swept 2479 01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:21,270 through to London he was crowned there 2480 01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:23,310 as king of England 2481 01:47:28,970 --> 01:47:26,489 he did have a claim to the throne but 2482 01:47:31,850 --> 01:47:28,980 was slightly tenuous one and then the 2483 01:47:34,580 --> 01:47:31,860 North revolted yes we're very revolting 2484 01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:34,590 and he ventured 2485 01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:36,930 he eventually put together a campaign 2486 01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:41,010 called the harrying of the North look it 2487 01:47:48,440 --> 01:47:44,370 up and literally they went northwards 2488 01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:48,450 and they pillaged and burned and 2489 01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:53,250 destroyed literally yeah the whole 2490 01:47:58,729 --> 01:47:56,010 countryside mom it was just fire and 2491 01:48:01,910 --> 01:47:58,739 sword make really and what to get rid of 2492 01:48:05,959 --> 01:48:01,920 all these um you know bellies morons 2493 01:48:10,130 --> 01:48:05,969 each month so what happened is that ever 2494 01:48:13,670 --> 01:48:10,140 since then has been a slow erosion my 2495 01:48:15,620 --> 01:48:13,680 own County of Derbyshire Lord Byron 2496 01:48:19,930 --> 01:48:15,630 described it and this is a direct quote 2497 01:48:22,150 --> 01:48:19,940 it was described as a howling waste 2498 01:48:26,570 --> 01:48:22,160 unquote 2499 01:48:30,110 --> 01:48:26,580 it was the last actually had troglodytes 2500 01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:30,120 people living in caves you know that 2501 01:48:35,300 --> 01:48:33,090 their habitation and it was very very 2502 01:48:38,060 --> 01:48:35,310 much and underdeveloped and that's been 2503 01:48:41,390 --> 01:48:38,070 the story in the north 2504 01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:41,400 genteel managed decline in the modern 2505 01:48:46,430 --> 01:48:45,210 era and there's a marvelous cartoon I 2506 01:48:49,729 --> 01:48:46,440 think I've dig it out and send it to you 2507 01:48:54,410 --> 01:48:49,739 Mike it's a cartoon that was published 2508 01:48:57,219 --> 01:48:54,420 in punch magazine yep and it shows a 2509 01:48:59,949 --> 01:48:57,229 large blob 2510 01:49:03,189 --> 01:48:59,959 the bottom and it's labeled London and 2511 01:49:06,579 --> 01:49:03,199 there's a line going directly north and 2512 01:49:10,270 --> 01:49:06,589 it actually says a little silent it said 2513 01:49:11,709 --> 01:49:10,280 Hatfield and the North that a is a very 2514 01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:11,719 famous sign at the bottom on the main 2515 01:49:17,379 --> 01:49:14,239 motorway the m1 and also it's the name 2516 01:49:21,369 --> 01:49:17,389 of the band took that as a a name bit 2517 01:49:23,529 --> 01:49:21,379 like Fountains of Wayne and then there's 2518 01:49:25,569 --> 01:49:23,539 further up the line it's a branch off 2519 01:49:28,029 --> 01:49:25,579 the one side says Birmingham it's got a 2520 01:49:30,639 --> 01:49:28,039 dotted line and he goes from a bit 2521 01:49:37,540 --> 01:49:30,649 further and it says the north and then 2522 01:49:42,129 --> 01:49:37,550 beyond that it says here be dragons in 2523 01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:42,139 many ways is how it still regard to this 2524 01:49:54,099 --> 01:49:48,800 day when the BBC moved there a whole 2525 01:49:59,699 --> 01:49:54,109 chunk of their productivity and offices 2526 01:50:04,179 --> 01:49:59,709 to a wonderful new studio and 2527 01:50:07,239 --> 01:50:04,189 administrative complex in the older area 2528 01:50:11,799 --> 01:50:07,249 of lund of Manchester against the 2529 01:50:14,290 --> 01:50:11,809 Manchester Ship Canal about two-thirds 2530 01:50:17,829 --> 01:50:14,300 of the staff refused to move and I 2531 01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:17,839 resigned off and of the jobs etc and the 2532 01:50:23,469 --> 01:50:20,719 whole position was that even the person 2533 01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:23,479 running that complex and his deputy used 2534 01:50:30,069 --> 01:50:26,719 to commute by rail every day because 2535 01:50:32,829 --> 01:50:30,079 they wouldn't move well I've done the 2536 01:50:34,810 --> 01:50:32,839 reverse men like many people I started 2537 01:50:37,599 --> 01:50:34,820 out in the north and if you wanted to 2538 01:50:40,449 --> 01:50:37,609 get the really big job in my case with 2539 01:50:43,540 --> 01:50:40,459 the National Museum science industry you 2540 01:50:44,979 --> 01:50:43,550 had to move south another question I 2541 01:50:47,889 --> 01:50:44,989 always had about the British and I don't 2542 01:50:49,629 --> 01:50:47,899 know why it just seems so odd me when I 2543 01:50:51,069 --> 01:50:49,639 don't know if he even takes place these 2544 01:50:52,509 --> 01:50:51,079 days but certainly back then and the 2545 01:50:54,819 --> 01:50:52,519 Beatles coming up and everything you saw 2546 01:50:58,329 --> 01:50:54,829 them go into efficient chip shop and 2547 01:50:59,829 --> 01:50:58,339 they put on newspaper right you haven't 2548 01:51:02,859 --> 01:50:59,839 in the newspaper doesn't the ink and all 2549 01:51:04,599 --> 01:51:02,869 over the fish and stuff strangely enough 2550 01:51:06,729 --> 01:51:04,609 no because you put a piece a little 2551 01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:06,739 sheet of greaseproof paper inside all 2552 01:51:15,419 --> 01:51:11,910 there's actually a slit between north 2553 01:51:19,649 --> 01:51:15,429 and south as to what you eat and fish 2554 01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:19,659 and chips oh really yeah well yes for 2555 01:51:25,319 --> 01:51:21,610 example I remember walking up the hill 2556 01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:25,329 in our little native village to go and 2557 01:51:29,250 --> 01:51:27,280 get some fish and chips my mother asked 2558 01:51:32,759 --> 01:51:29,260 me to do so she didn't want to cook that 2559 01:51:37,529 --> 01:51:32,769 night and there was a big soccer match 2560 01:51:40,020 --> 01:51:37,539 in in Sheffield which is around about 40 2561 01:51:42,569 --> 01:51:40,030 miles north of where we were and they 2562 01:51:45,629 --> 01:51:42,579 were playing one of the London teams and 2563 01:51:48,450 --> 01:51:45,639 I think it was West Ham and in those 2564 01:51:52,890 --> 01:51:48,460 days they m1 motorway stopped at nothing 2565 01:51:55,379 --> 01:51:52,900 Ham to our south and that's as far 2566 01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:55,389 they'd built it out so far about 200 2567 01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:00,639 miles that point 150 our honor and this 2568 01:52:06,509 --> 01:52:04,690 coach of support is wesun supporters was 2569 01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:06,519 going to drive down from Sheffield and 2570 01:52:10,620 --> 01:52:08,650 pick up the m1 motorway down to London 2571 01:52:13,470 --> 01:52:10,630 it was going to be taken about an hour 2572 01:52:15,089 --> 01:52:13,480 hour and a half and suddenly they saw 2573 01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:15,099 the fish and chips on this spot got the 2574 01:52:19,410 --> 01:52:16,690 guys to stop they all boiled into the 2575 01:52:21,810 --> 01:52:19,420 fish and chip shop where I was and they 2576 01:52:23,580 --> 01:52:21,820 started asking the guy behind the 2577 01:52:27,299 --> 01:52:23,590 counter mr. right 2578 01:52:29,009 --> 01:52:27,309 for rocks sir they took a while for us 2579 01:52:32,729 --> 01:52:29,019 to actually find out what they meant 2580 01:52:36,209 --> 01:52:32,739 they meant rock salmon now that is 2581 01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:36,219 another term a polite term for dogfish 2582 01:52:43,169 --> 01:52:39,760 the less what a dogfish no and they eat 2583 01:52:45,180 --> 01:52:43,179 that in London we being good northerners 2584 01:52:48,299 --> 01:52:45,190 we have Cod we have haddock 2585 01:52:50,899 --> 01:52:48,309 we have occasionally place but you know 2586 01:52:56,990 --> 01:52:50,909 we don't deal with things like Rock sir 2587 01:52:59,970 --> 01:52:57,000 yes and you know we have mushy peas yeah 2588 01:53:01,890 --> 01:52:59,980 good name from ban the mushy pea mushy I 2589 01:53:04,740 --> 01:53:01,900 mean really green things that emotion is 2590 01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:04,750 talking about yeah yeah yeah so yeah 2591 01:53:08,549 --> 01:53:06,880 there's a big difference it was a and 2592 01:53:10,740 --> 01:53:08,559 there's a military connection believe it 2593 01:53:13,470 --> 01:53:10,750 or not commander well before we go any 2594 01:53:14,759 --> 01:53:13,480 further just to keep in the keeping with 2595 01:53:15,450 --> 01:53:14,769 the theme of the show keeping them yeah 2596 01:53:17,700 --> 01:53:15,460 yes 2597 01:53:19,950 --> 01:53:17,710 what kind of fish and chips to JFK light 2598 01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:19,960 there you go find out on him he'd 2599 01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:22,210 probably have havoc yeah because it's 2600 01:53:25,500 --> 01:53:23,650 very Irish thing 2601 01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:25,510 this is so done and if you get fish and 2602 01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:27,840 chips in London you're eating dog fish 2603 01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:30,489 no not necessarily you have to ask what 2604 01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:32,770 do you ask for the species of fish you 2605 01:53:37,110 --> 01:53:35,290 want you go and say I'll have Cod had it 2606 01:53:39,300 --> 01:53:37,120 in a better cost-efficient gift shop 2607 01:53:40,979 --> 01:53:39,310 you'll actually be offered these choices 2608 01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:40,989 you can pick them from the board behind 2609 01:53:44,060 --> 01:53:42,130 the counter okay 2610 01:53:46,020 --> 01:53:44,070 the ants family kind of ruins the moment 2611 01:53:47,550 --> 01:53:46,030 let me ask what kind of fish they're 2612 01:53:49,500 --> 01:53:47,560 gonna give you no no people have 2613 01:53:51,810 --> 01:53:49,510 preferences really yeah nothing wrong 2614 01:53:54,330 --> 01:53:51,820 with dogfish by the way the one hundred 2615 01:53:56,700 --> 01:53:54,340 and first Airborne this is where they 2616 01:53:58,590 --> 01:53:56,710 come in yes one hundred and first 2617 01:54:00,090 --> 01:53:58,600 Airborne Division the 82nd Airborne 2618 01:54:04,140 --> 01:54:00,100 Division were debt yeah Band of Brothers 2619 01:54:06,090 --> 01:54:04,150 guys westerly down south yeah there 2620 01:54:09,689 --> 01:54:06,100 wasn't enough room enough airfields for 2621 01:54:12,750 --> 01:54:09,699 the hundred and first down there so they 2622 01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:12,760 put them much further north in the 2623 01:54:19,410 --> 01:54:15,280 Midlands and there was also one an 2624 01:54:23,010 --> 01:54:19,420 airfield not far from Nottingham okay 2625 01:54:26,850 --> 01:54:23,020 and aldrin first were actually billet 2626 01:54:30,300 --> 01:54:26,860 they had their main camped in a park 2627 01:54:33,090 --> 01:54:30,310 just outside of the city centre yes and 2628 01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:33,100 they actually became addicted to fish 2629 01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:37,090 and chips yeah right now I really do I 2630 01:54:39,810 --> 01:54:39,520 mean it wasn't thinking about it smell 2631 01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:39,820 it 2632 01:54:44,729 --> 01:54:41,199 seafood that's a great combination 2633 01:54:48,300 --> 01:54:44,739 that's all your anyway just one one this 2634 01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:48,310 up yeah I think that nineteen six it is 2635 01:54:58,410 --> 01:54:55,570 were a very very turbulent decade not 2636 01:55:01,410 --> 01:54:58,420 just in music and culture and societal 2637 01:55:04,290 --> 01:55:01,420 changes but across the world in terms of 2638 01:55:06,959 --> 01:55:04,300 conflict and indeed assassinations as we 2639 01:55:08,850 --> 01:55:06,969 know yeah and you think it was Andy and 2640 01:55:11,729 --> 01:55:08,860 Martin Luther King and then but it was 2641 01:55:13,530 --> 01:55:11,739 also probably made worse by the start 2642 01:55:16,590 --> 01:55:13,540 with Kennedy right yes 2643 01:55:18,090 --> 01:55:16,600 seemed to go downhill from there well 2644 01:55:19,470 --> 01:55:18,100 hey listen talk about downhill that's 2645 01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:19,480 the end of the show they want one I'm 2646 01:55:25,260 --> 01:55:23,199 riveted yeah strained okay take on it I 2647 01:55:26,729 --> 01:55:25,270 think just you know with the only 2648 01:55:28,649 --> 01:55:26,739 conclusion we can come to is that there 2649 01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:28,659 will be no conclusion it'll just I think 2650 01:55:31,979 --> 01:55:30,010 the speculation will go on forever if 2651 01:55:33,450 --> 01:55:31,989 people hadn't come on now and talked 2652 01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:33,460 about it then you know who knows but 2653 01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:34,090 they listen 2654 01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:36,330 rishabh thanks for joining us tonight 2655 01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:39,690 man my Playa maca is always yep thank 2656 01:55:42,680 --> 01:55:41,280 you for playing with us tonight in the 2657 01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:42,690 short note the other greatest yeah like 2658 01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:44,850 a human encyclopedia I can listen to is 2659 01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:46,800 amazing all night so thank you very much 2660 01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:50,010 for us and also Cobra could listen to 2661 01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:51,930 you all my to like it did Sunday night 2662 01:55:54,170 --> 01:55:53,520 actually thanks to having me on the show 2663 01:55:56,300 --> 01:55:54,180 again 2664 01:55:57,710 --> 01:55:56,310 thank you for coming okay and a lot of 2665 01:56:00,230 --> 01:55:57,720 fun very well received 2666 01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:00,240 yeah of it and this is some way that we 2667 01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:02,250 can like and lammeter at that and just 2668 01:56:09,970 --> 01:56:06,480 go through the lawyers and oh sure send 2669 01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:12,530 okay alright yeah I sent them like five 2670 01:56:16,910 --> 01:56:14,400 messages on skype coming you know listen 2671 01:56:19,850 --> 01:56:16,920 to it nothing silence yeah I think 2672 01:56:29,780 --> 01:56:19,860 crickets but this silence exactly with 2673 01:56:33,190 --> 01:56:29,790 the silence he's actually kind of mind 2674 01:56:35,420 --> 01:56:33,200 games it's fine detainment on the radio 2675 01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:35,430 so thank you go before joining us 2676 01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:35,760 tonight 2677 01:56:41,180 --> 01:56:38,130 thank you for a tweeter and we will talk 2678 01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:41,190 very soon okay let's get back to Ross 2679 01:56:55,250 --> 01:56:45,110 and also to Emily M aka cupcake right 2680 01:57:00,500 --> 01:56:55,260 frosting with frosting so boy what have 2681 01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:00,510 I got myself in when you're in front of 2682 01:57:05,570 --> 01:57:02,210 Commission make sure you throw that down 2683 01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:05,580 yeah it's an antipasto salad of a show 2684 01:57:11,930 --> 01:57:08,610 it's not bacon thank you uh speaking 2685 01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:11,940 Vietnamese I'll thank you to common 2686 01:57:23,390 --> 01:57:16,080 beanie yes get that right man you know 2687 01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:23,400 so yeah okay like Gwen Stefani right 2688 01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:26,130 yeah okay it was like as we said before 2689 01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:28,290 anyone gives us any trouble at all would 2690 01:57:32,390 --> 01:57:30,480 you say a friend common yet house 2691 01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:32,400 comments Kafani down there 2692 01:57:35,870 --> 01:57:35,010 it was right around the time square you 2693 01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:35,880 know he's gonna give you a call okay 2694 01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:42,920 he's gonna bring the cannoli - yeah so 2695 01:57:45,729 --> 01:57:44,370 instead of getting lawyers will do that 2696 01:57:53,330 --> 01:57:45,739 okay 2697 01:57:54,890 --> 01:57:53,340 in that thanks to Stephen M and also 2698 01:58:01,729 --> 01:57:54,900 Rebecca house it didn't call me tonight 2699 01:58:03,620 --> 01:58:01,739 for some reason maybe nice no sister 2700 01:58:06,260 --> 01:58:03,630 here the female voice the last time he's 2701 01:58:08,300 --> 01:58:06,270 been gone my a he could be their Lane 2702 01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:08,310 then pebbles has already eaten them up 2703 01:58:13,399 --> 01:58:10,290 for three days you never know right the 2704 01:58:15,169 --> 01:58:13,409 wild dogs yeah okay that'd be ironic he 2705 01:58:17,450 --> 01:58:15,179 lives now in a city where there nine 2706 01:58:21,169 --> 01:58:17,460 thousand feral dogs running around 2707 01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:21,179 killing people yet his cat killed him is 2708 01:58:33,890 --> 01:58:24,239 that I want a cobra yes I believe that 2709 01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:33,900 is irony lighten up okay that's why I 2710 01:58:41,149 --> 01:58:38,610 like frosting on my cupcakes that's 2711 01:58:47,180 --> 01:58:41,159 right the cheese out of the cannoli 2712 01:58:48,410 --> 01:58:47,190 shell alright don't I think that's 2713 01:58:59,379 --> 01:58:48,420 personally but I think I'll just go on 2714 01:59:08,510 --> 01:59:05,180 that was you one next thank you and 2715 01:59:10,879 --> 01:59:08,520 thank you to Paul Bishop ex-lapd data 2716 01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:10,889 who really kind of explained it to me 2717 01:59:15,140 --> 01:59:13,050 why you know I was well had to be was 2718 01:59:16,609 --> 01:59:15,150 there yeah it was just like the way that 2719 01:59:18,350 --> 01:59:16,619 they interrogated him what he lied about 2720 01:59:21,500 --> 01:59:18,360 what he didn't lie about and stuff 2721 01:59:22,729 --> 01:59:21,510 really interesting Paul Bishop so thank 2722 01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:22,739 you to him and thank you for everyone 2723 01:59:24,830 --> 01:59:24,090 out there listening to us and tell them 2724 01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:24,840 next week